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Breakouts Hot, New or Resurging Albums
#4 Breakout album in the country. (May 23, 1988) HITS magazine Page 60/61

Look at the company Vinnie is in and who is at #4?! Vinnie F'ing Vincent

But some would claim there wasn't any demand for VVI. How could they do that without a video being released?


1) Prince
2) Tracy Chapman
3) Bruce Hornsby
4) Vinnie Vincent
5) Run DMC
6) Queensryche
7) Hall & Oats
8) Al B Sure
9) Poison
10) Joe Jackson
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The album peaked at 64 . Breakout album is nothing other than paid publicity. They paid for ads in hits and in return got some meaninglessness hype ..what exactly does number 4 Breakout album mean?
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doublev2 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:36 pm The album peaked at 64 . Breakout album is nothing other than paid publicity. They paid for ads in hits and in return got some meaninglessness hype ..what exactly does number 4 Breakout album mean?

You are lying as usual!


BREAKOUTS
Hot new or resurging albums as reported by the nation's leading record merchandisers
WINNERS
1 PRINCE (Paisley/WB 25720-1) 65%
2 TRACY CHAPMAN (Elektra 60774) 35%
3 BRUCE HORNSBY (RCA 7647-Z-RDJ) 29%
4 VINNIE VINCENT (Chrysalis OV41626) 29%
5 RUN DMC (Profile 1265) 26%
6 QUEENSRYCHE (EMI/Man 48640) 24%
7 HALL & OATES (Arista AL8539) 23%
8 AL B. SURE (WB 25662) 22%
9 POISON (Enig Cap C148493) 20%
10 JOE JACKSON (A&M 6706) 19%


And one of the retail pages:




ANGOTI' ONE-STOP /F RANK
DAVIS /DETROIT
Weird Al
Samantha Fox
Tracy Chapman
2 Live Crew
OMD
Cheap Trick

ARROW DISTRIBUTORS /TONY
BRENNER /S OLON, OHIO
Poison
Honeymoon Suite
Johnny Hates Jazz
Cheap Trick
Glass Tiger

BUZZARD'S NEST /MIKE
MANDZIA /COLUMBUS
Prince
Colors
Jane Wiedlin
Vinnie Vincent
Joan Jett

CAMELOT /LEW GARRETT/CANTON
Bruce Hornsby
Prince
Queensryche
Vinnie Vincent

CAVAGES /JOHN GRANDONI /BUFFALO
Prince
Tracy Chapman
I0,0(X) Maniacs
Midnight Oil
Honeymoon Suite

CD ONE-STOP /D ARRYL OHRT /CONN
Sade
Clash
Judas Priest
Boz Scaggs
Prefab Sprout

CENTRAL SOUTH /ROBIN STEELY /N ASHVILLE
Prince
Bruce Hornsby
Teddy Pendergrass
Al B Sure
Vinnie Vincent
Colors

CML ONE-STOP /M IKE CLARK /ST. LOUIS
Prince
Vinnie Vincent
Jane Wiedlin
AI B Sure
Jazzy Jeff

FACE THE MUSIC /DOUGMACIVER /ROCHESTER, MN
Prince
Hall & Oates
Cheap Trick
Poison
Smithereens
Honeymoon Suite
Vinnie Vincent

FLIPSIDE /D AVID SLANIA /CHICAGO
Prince
Joe Jackson
Johnny Kemp
Samantha Fox
Jazzy Jeff
Run DMC

HARMONY HOUSE /S ANDYBEAN /DETROIT
Prince
Brenda Russell
Honeymoon Suite
Nia Peeples
Weird Al

INTERSTATE GROUP /SMITH /R HODE ISLAND
Tracy Chapman
Queensryche
Honeymoon Suite
Al B Sure
KD Lang
Glass Tiger
Peter Murphy

KARMA /STEVE WILLIAMS /INDIANAPOLIS
Sade
Club Nouveau
Vinnie Vincent
Sweethearts Of Rodeo

LECHMERE /D AVE CURTIS /
BOSTON
Joe Jackson
Tracy Chapman
Hall & Oates
Bobby McFerrin
Bruce Homsby
Prince

LIEBERMAN /R OB TAYLOR /CHICAGO
Prince
Vinnie Vincent
Midnight Oil
Queensryche

LIEBERMAN /L INDA METZ /
MT. LAUREL
Evelyn King
Timbuk 3
Impelliteri
World Class W Crew
Betty Wright

LIEBERMAN-NATL /D USTY
BOWLING / MPLS
Tracy Chapman
Iron Maiden
Jets
Al B Sure
Cheap Trick

METRONOME /G UY CASSINGHAM/A TLANTA
Prince
Graham Parker
Soul Asylum
Toni Childs
Midnight Oil
Thomas Dolby
Living Colour

MOBY DISC/BOB SAY/LOS ANGELES
Prince
Camper Van Beethoven
Queensryche
Ziggy Marley
Bruce Homsby

MUSIC PEOPLE /N ANCY LEWIS/OAKLAND
Prince
Colors
Testament
Jerry Garcia
Sade
Run DMC
Tony Toni Tone

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Did you re-type all this?

How is it a "real" breakout hit when it peaked at 64?

With a bit of money you can pretend you're bigger than you are.

I remember all the back cover magazine ads for HITS when it came out. You'd think it was the second coming, but it wasn't.
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Genebaby wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:40 pm Did you re-type all this?

How is it a "real" breakout hit when it peaked at 64?

I remember all the back cover magazine ads for HITS when it came out. You'd think it was the second coming, but it wasn't.


I doubt you've ever even seen a copy of the HITS trade magazine.

And why confuse HITS magazine with Billboard magazine? Two different things.
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Hot In The Shade. I saw all the back cover magazine ads for Hot In The Shade........like it was a big thing, it was all hype.
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Genebaby wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:51 pm Hot In The Shade. I saw all the back cover magazine ads for Hot In The Shade........like it was a big thing, it was all hype.
Aint that the truth!
What a turd of an album :roll: :mrgreen:
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Bastard, it wasn't big, but it wasn't bad. I'm gonna rise to it!!!!!
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Yes! Record company paid hype, nothing more. Just like when you go on a news webpage and there'll be a story about some business that's "reinventing the wheel"....then you realise, it's actually a paid for advertorial for the company.

Both Invasion & ASG got to No.64 and stalled, sadly.

What's lying about that?


Nicely typed out stats there, would have been a lot easier just to post the link...wouldn't you think? (What poetry! :P)
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shramiac wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:27 pm Yes! Record company paid hype, nothing more. Just like when you go on a news webpage and there'll be a story about some business that's "reinventing the wheel"....then you realise, it's actually a paid for advertorial for the company.
No, not at all. Where do some of you come up with this nonsense?

Although yours isn't as utterly laugh on the floor "ADD's = " like Dino.

It wasn't record company hype.

They do surveys each week of the top selling new albums. Those used 50 or so stores around America.

It's really sad how so few around here actually know about the music business.
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What about "Payola"?
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shramiac wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:28 am What about "Payola"?
Oh my goodness. What about it?!
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What about Vinnie's own words?

"I cringe thinking back on the band hype of the 1980's press agent mentality we had..but that was then."


"Pay for play" exists. It did then, it still does today.


Don't get me wrong, I like everyone else here, wishes VVI was bigger than it actually was but sadly, it wasn't.
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shramiac wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:41 am What about Vinnie's own words?

"I cringe thinking back on the band hype of the 1980's press agent mentality we had..but that was then."


"Pay for play" exists. It did then, it still does today.


Don't get me wrong, I like everyone else here, wishes VVI was bigger than it actually was but sadly, it wasn't.

Nobody even talked or brought up payola in regards to Vinnie. You have zero proof it happened at all. Just because somebody who lies constantly on this board didn't know the difference between AD's and ADD's .....


Sadly, you don't know what you are talking about.


The problem is people around here have no clue about the music industry etc. They make ridiculous claims about VVI videos never being in rotation, Ashes didn't get airplay on radio. You name it. All of that nonsense and BS has easily been shot down and the trade publication dates/issues have been given. Even still, reality doesn't matter to haters like yourself.

The latest being some payola nonsense because you hate how successful VVI was
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So now because Mercury took out ads like this it was hype?

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Ashes to ashes wasn't a single . You are talking about a promo to promote all systems go to radio stations.
I grew up in the record industry in the 80s.
It's very possible ashes to ashes was played on some radio once or twice but not a hit. Radio stations played singles that you could buy in the stores ..I've never heard of a song being a hit that wasn't a released single.
No vvi song was a radio hit or played more than a few times if at all. Even boyz are gonna rock and no substitute were not radio played.
Boyz are gonna rock video did get more MTV play than anyrhing on asg but that was only a short period and was only on specialist rock shows.
You would be hard pushed to find many people who even know about all systems go even people who regularly watched heqdbangers ball. No ASG videos were even hits or played regularly on headbangers ball never mind regular MTV. There was maybe a few weeks period around the debut of that time of year when Mark and Vinnie hosted the ball that it got played two or three times on the ball but that's it until Slaughter came out and it got a tiny amount of interest because of Mark's involvement.

I really can't believe you can actually come up with much ridiculous comments
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Ace Frehley's insane got way more MTV play than aag videos which annoyed me at the time
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doublev2 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:55 am Ace Frehley's insane got way more MTV play than aag videos which annoyed me at the time
Totally made up BS from the king of lies!

7/16/1988 issue of Billboard has a story on Ace and it talks about him just shooting the video for "Insane". Go look up Billboards for 2 months after that.

There is a review of Iron Maiden/ Frehley's Comet in the August 6, 1988 issue (on page 22)


Guess whose video was NOT added into rotation on MTV? Insane by Ace Frehley.

Once again, another LIE shot down in flames!
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doublev2 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:53 am Ashes to ashes wasn't a single . You are talking about a promo to promote all systems go to radio stations.
I grew up in the record industry in the 80s.
It's very possible ashes to ashes was played on some radio once or twice but not a hit. Radio stations played singles that you could buy in the stores ..I've never heard of a song being a hit that wasn't a released single.
No vvi song was a radio hit or played more than a few times if at all. Even boyz are gonna rock and no substitute were not radio played.
Boyz are gonna rock video did get more MTV play than anyrhing on asg but that was only a short period and was only on specialist rock shows.
You would be hard pushed to find many people who even know about all systems go even people who regularly watched heqdbangers ball. No ASG videos were even hits or played regularly on headbangers ball never mind regular MTV. There was maybe a few weeks period around the debut of that time of year when Mark and Vinnie hosted the ball that it got played two or three times on the ball but that's it until Slaughter came out and it got a tiny amount of interest because of Mark's involvement.

I really can't believe you can actually come up with much ridiculous comments

You are flat out lying again! And you don't know the difference between being in rotation and being played on Headbangers, Hard 60 etc.

You are completely clueless and a huge f'ing liar!

Ashes was added into rotation on numerous stations as has been shown and proven. Your utter lie destroyed!


Boyz Are Gonna Rock and No Substitute were in rotation on numerous radio stations -- another of your lies destroyed

As has been shown and with the issues to prove it, Boyz was a huge hit on MTV. In Rotation for 8 weeks. It beat the rotation for most of KISS' videos in the 80's (as has been shown and mentioned before).


"I really can't believe you can actually come up with much ridiculous comments" (he must be looking in the mirror when he said that).

Of course, Holiday Inn boy knows nothing of the record business. He doesn't even know what Rotation on MTV means. It's clear he knows less about the record business than a common housewife.


and he sure must have hated "Love Kills" being a huge hit on Dial-MTV even hitting #1 numerous times.


Facts are a wonderful thing. They destroy utter liars like Dino.

Does he just keep lying because he loves getting made a fool of constantly? Why would he keep coming back for more punishment? He brings NOTHING to the table. He can't back up any single claim at all. He ignores all reality. He ignores all the facts.

Dino must love being my Victim?!
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You know it's about Vinnie Vincent when an article from 1988 is considered as news..
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VVArchives, chill out man. Who are you to know the record industry? Really, WHO ARE YOU? Tell us who you are so we can check out your impressive credentials. That would be a great start.
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Genebaby wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:43 am VVArchives, chill out man. Who are you to know the record industry? Really, WHO ARE YOU? Tell us who you are so we can check out your impressive credentials. That would be a great start.

I'm not the one posting BS. Maybe ask the guy who laughably claims his dad ran Chrysalis and others and he owns a radio station and yet he doesn't know the absolute basics of any of it.

Maybe start with the one who makes up things constantly and you allow him to keep spewing falsehoods.

You should be thanking me for setting the board straight instead of believing all the false claims that are spewed around here.

But some would rather keep pushing the lies instead of admitting reality.
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No, we're starting with you. I know who he is, I've spoken with him, who the heck are you dude?
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Genebaby wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:40 pm No, we're starting with you. I know who he is, I've spoken with him, who the heck are you dude?
Wow, so you've been catfished!

But then your lack of knowledge about Vinnie and the music industry in general, I could see how you could easily be fooled.
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Well, it is usually nice when you come to a place such as this to do an introductory post somewhere. Dino, and I and some others are old school Vinnie people, people I've met and spoken with and have met each other in real life, which is very cool. I've made friends here. You could be one of them, what's your name?
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Oh, and there you go, being yourself, saying I was catfished. How the heck is that the first thing that comes to your brain, and you probably think it's true.
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Genebaby wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:51 pm Oh, and there you go, being yourself, saying I was catfished. How the heck is that the first thing that comes to your brain, and you probably think it's true.
Because anyone can see by what Dino posts its all made up. You fell for it.

How it that the first thing I think of? Because I've seen all the garbage Dino posts and he is an outright joke and knows nothing about the radio or music industry. If you knew anything about it, you would have spotted it easily too
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I say we delete all the members here, and let VVArchives ramble on to himself about his boomer music with no audience
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Thank you for sharing this and all the information you shared. I don't know why you got attacked by so many for just providing information from various trade publications.

Great information
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HE got attacked? I'm not sure if you're reading everything but he/she was the one not playing nice and abusing the one simple rule to be nice to your fellow Vinnie fans.
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Genebaby wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:22 am HE got attacked? I'm not sure if you're reading everything but he/she was the one not playing nice and abusing the one simple rule to be nice to your fellow Vinnie fans.
Yes, he/she was attacked constantly. And numerous people constantly wanted he/she banned.

Also, one could argue about them breaking that one rule. How many of those was he arguing with are really fans? People with X through Vinnie's picture and others who constantly bash Vinnie all the time. Are those people really fans?
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Are they fans? Yes. Sychophants and zealots? No. There is a difference.

Sorry, they started the attacks, geeze they were rude. Called me a tool. Clearly no helping this person.
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I have never been more attacked here by thst user . If that user wanted to argue what I said fine..but to call me a liar and say I know nothing about the music industry which is how I make a part of my living goes beyond.
I realize their are people who want to belive what they want and try to impress vinnie and that's fine . I ask for links to articles and the user didn't give them and the user believes ashes to ashes was an actually single release then calls me a liar when I said it wasn't when it wasn't is weird and pretty abusive.

I am all for people believing what they want but do it nicely at least
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Genebaby wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:22 am HE got attacked? I'm not sure if you're reading everything but he/she was the one not playing nice and abusing the one simple rule to be nice to your fellow Vinnie fans.
Yes, he/she was attacked constantly. And numerous people constantly wanted he/she banned.

Also, one could argue about them breaking that one rule. How many of those was he arguing with are really fans? People with X through Vinnie's picture and others who constantly bash Vinnie all the time. Are those people really fans?
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doublev2 wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:10 pm I have never been more attacked here by thst user . If that user wanted to argue what I said fine..but to call me a liar and say I know nothing about the music industry which is how I make a part of my living goes beyond.

I'm sorry, you just admitted in another thread you had no idea what Rotation on MTV meant. You said something about "a label saving face".

To me, what a person says proves far more than what they claim. I'm sorry, but you haven't shown you even know basic rudimentary things.

Now maybe you tune guitars or teach people how to play. But from what you've said on here, I think you've shown you aren't connected to radio or any label.


Rotation (music)
In broadcasting, rotation is the repeated airing of a limited playlist of songs on a radio station or satellite radio channel, or music videos on a TV network.


It's not rocket science. Anyone who actually worked in radio or at a label would know this.
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Luxor wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:59 pm
doublev2 wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:10 pm I have never been more attacked here by thst user . If that user wanted to argue what I said fine..but to call me a liar and say I know nothing about the music industry which is how I make a part of my living goes beyond.

I'm sorry, you just admitted in another thread you had no idea what Rotation on MTV meant. You said something about "a label saving face".

To me, what a person says proves far more than what they claim. I'm sorry, but you haven't shown you even know basic rudimentary things.

Now maybe you tune guitars or teach people how to play. But from what you've said on here, I think you've shown you aren't connected to radio or any label.


Rotation (music)
In broadcasting, rotation is the repeated airing of a limited playlist of songs on a radio station or satellite radio channel, or music videos on a TV network.


It's not rocket science. Anyone who actually worked in radio or at a label would know this.
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I see what you did there, very nice!!!
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doublev2 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:55 am Ace Frehley's insane got way more MTV play than aag videos which annoyed me at the time
GOD I love that video! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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It was cool. It even got played here on a Saturday morning TV show!
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I thought "Insane" was embarrassing. Second Sighting was just a subpar album all the way around. "Trouble Walking" buries it. If only Ace would have stayed with Richie, Frehleys Comet might have really taken off. Their first album would have been much stronger.

Its not surprising "Insane" didn't even get added to rotation on MTV. But Ace did have his chance for success. They did play the heck out of "Into The Night". For some reason though, it didn't seem to translate into sales for "Frehleys Comet"
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Ace should have been with Ritchie from the start, but he's dumped him again so obviously it was all just business.

I like Second Sighting. Not into Tod Howarth otherwise, but he was good with Ace, cool songs. Fallen Angel is going through my mind right now.
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With "insane" Ace ripped off the man who wrote that riff and arragement,and didnì't pay him for stealing the idead.Not tha t it was a a great song. He had no songs ready adn he had,huh, "Bronchitis" :wink: ,so most of the work about providing songs fell on Tod shoulders.The label pushed the band to put records out,inslding the live one_Ace himself wasn't agreeing on that- and also the video did not receive so much airplay,compared to other groups.
There's an interesting blog about that era here:

https://axeologyextended.wordpress.com/ ... the-comet/

Btw, as personal opinion, success doesn't validate a group or their music,so i've never bothered to pay too much attention on charts.
When it comes to the present situation, i would have liked to hear more of Cusano real music, but almost every musician from the past thrives on nostalgia and thereferore just show the side of music poeple could relate to, unfortunately.When it comes to real muscians, it is such a shame to just see the lowest common denominator( "The media sells it, and you live the role...").

George Benson did hit the nail on the head whren he said- years ago- "Iif i was playng the music i really like, i would have starved"(or words of that effect.
Yet David Torn still tour and record the music he likes to play...talkign about persistence..and choices...
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Ace, Ace, Ace....I do remember hearing that about Insane now, but totally forgot. Very crappy thing to do.

Plus, being so wasted you can't contribute too much to your own band and then blaming the guy who stepped up and did a great job is not cool, from Ace or the label, though the label may not have known about the internal issues? Either way, they knew Ace didn't do as much as he could have.

Myself at the time, I didn't notice the split and enjoyed the whole album and then I remember buying Trouble Walkin' when it came out and saw the new guys in the band. Then there was not much going on, with Ace eventually joining forces with Peter to try and get some viable attendance until the Reunion scooped them up and saved their asses.

1988 seemed to be a tough time if even Iron Maiden was having a bad time selling tickets to shows, no wonder KISS was really struggling.
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Kind of liked jeuvilne delinquent however the drumming is awful as well as the mix. The thing sounds like a demo and sounds like the drummer didn't know the track but they just said that's OK.
Insane was more about the video than Song I am guessing. Rock soldiers could be the best song of the 80s by anyone who had been in kiss . I would say Rock soldiers, ashes to ashes and love kills are the best songs by ex kiss members and better anything kiss did after creatures of the night
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Tod had no choice but leave since the label wanted to promote Ace and hinted to not use Tod songs on the next album.
SInce income came from publishing and touring, that would have menat little or no money for Howarth.There were no issues between them.

Fpr the next record, Ace made the same trick he did about "insane" with Marc Ferrari, Regan suggested to call Peter.Criss htought thinkin that he would have w played drums on one song,yet Ace told him to play tambourine and percussion(:P).
Peter sang background vocals and the bridge section odf the title track.

John Regan-who also suggested to cover "Do Ya" -arranged most of "Fractured III",uncrfedited.

The album didn't do so much and then mid tour Ace showed his true colors by substituting non alcholoic beer with alchoholic one, and therefore being drunk onstage(talkin about betrayng Regan efforts to keep the band going ) and also ,one day,he was nowhere to be found when a gig was supposeed to happen.
He simply went to an amusement park with a girl leaving the group with no choice but packing and going back home. By the end of that experience, Ace owed Regan 70k $.That's why the 12 picks greatests hits with surprise pick came from.

Jumping on to more recent years, when Four by Fate asked Ace about a reunion,Ace demanded 100k $,so it didn't happen.

Ace played with them once, showing how much of a shadow of himself he really is,his playng beyond sloppy,and also threw a bottle to a roadie since he couldn't hear himself.
Four by Fate showed a lot more class offering a spot to Scarlet who had just lost his wife and was fired from Ace's band.Ace had no hesitation doing that since he could pay the gene simmons touring band a lot less, regardles of what was going on with Ritchie's life.
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About drummers, Comet lost a great opportunitiy whren they split with Billy Ward,who become a great drummer,and had since then make a few funny remarks aboout his experience.Oldaker was a great drummer but maybe playng that kind of simplicistic hard rock wasn't his fortè.

Going back on topic,it seems that Vinnie violated some rules SIR studios had, about their no public policy in the rhearsals room.
I really would liked to hear more music, regardless ogf the genre,from him.The shredding thing doesnp't do really justice to what he's capable of.
Unfortunaltey it seems (?) that people just want to hear that and his lost demos,and he's keen to just give whatever nostalgia fever gives him money, and nothign else.A 50-50 would have been nice.Whatever floats their boats and gives him $$$$...
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Good post ankh.

What happened with sir ? Is it over now Vinnie using SIR?

I know nothing about second sighting but the drumming is so basic it sounds like the had the drummer in the studio one day with no idea of the songs. Sounds like a fist rehearsal to me at best . The drum mix is awful. Most of that album from memory sounds like a very early demo at least the songs Ace sang on .

I remember Dana Strum wrote a song on it and Ace commented in a magazine that he liked Vinnie Vincent's band .
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Insane is a great 80s Ace song, fun to play, crazy primitive yet catchy. And come to think of it, I first saw Ace in the music video for it on Beavis & Butthead way way back. Maybe even before Kiss. Insane's the only song I like (or remember that it is) on Second Sighting. On Comet there are better songs, but the album is so fatiguing I never listened to it the whole way through. Much more fatiguing than All Systems Go, which has even better songs.
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doublev2 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:32 pm Good post ankh.

What happened with sir ? Is it over now Vinnie using SIR?

I know nothing about second sighting but the drumming is so basic it sounds like the had the drummer in the studio one day with no idea of the songs. Sounds like a fist rehearsal to me at best . The drum mix is awful. Most of that album from memory sounds like a very early demo at least the songs Ace sang on .

I remember Dana Strum wrote a song on it and Ace commented in a magazine that he liked Vinnie Vincent's band .
It seems that Vinne rented a reharsal space at SIR and used it for his event, and SIR has vetoed havin public in a reharsal room.

SS lacked a real producer. And good songs, The todd ones would have benefitted from a better arragement.

The song you mention was simply a song that Sewitt suggested to Ace and he used it. In Kerrang Ace said that met Vinnie once wished him good luck and that he was a good muscian, and wished him well.

Pullit, Ace stole the whole arragment of "Insane" from sombody without payng him.

The Comet album lacked strong songs on the second side, it sounded too much like a comeback album, and it was weaker than the A side.
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ankh wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:50 pm
The album didn't do so much and then mid tour Ace showed his true colors by substituting non alcholoic beer with alchoholic one, and therefore being drunk onstage(talkin about betrayng Regan efforts to keep the band going ) and also ,one day,he was nowhere to be found when a gig was supposeed to happen.

He simply went to an amusement park with a girl leaving the group with no choice but packing and going back home. By the end of that experience, Ace owed Regan 70k $.That's why the 12 picks greatests hits with surprise pick came from.

That's not the way I heard it. It seems like you are doing SS and Trouble Walking stuff together.

John Regan was around for "Trouble Walking".

If you are talking about what happened during the "Second Sighting" tour, they were opening for Iron Maiden and Maiden kept getting dates cancelled and Frehleys Comet wasn't getting any money for all those missed dates and all the down time that created. The album wasn't selling at all and so they had to go back home and ditch the tour.


Of course, Maiden didn't have that problem when VVI was opening for them.
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Sorrry if it wasn't clear,in that paragraph you are quoting i was referring to the Trouble walking period alone .
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I saw frehleys comet live 3 times between 1997 and 1988.
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