Dana Strum replaced?

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:53 am

Who replaced Dana on the ASG Tour when L.A. Guns opened for them? I didn't know he left .

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:21 am

Dana never left. I know Dana was reported as the first member to leave in either lat august or early september 1988. Then the next week all the guys were reported to have gone and Mark and Dana were working on a project called ' Slaughterhouse' and Bobby was reported that he was working on the Nitro record.

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:22 am

I cried that day. Now it seems crazy, but it took me 22 years to realise that fully.

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:28 am

i would have loved it if Vinnie had gotten new members to finish the ASG tour and project. It seems like maybe they ran out of money as he could have gotten a great new line up to go on a World tour or to open up for a major act. Actually I think they were not ready to headline anyway. Ashes to Ashes had not even been released. Crazy that it all ended so soon. Think Yngwie, he would just get a whole new band and no one would say nothing about it. I am sure Goran would have stepped in.

One thing about VVI is this .. Why was 'Back on the Streets' never a single? Why was Ashes to Ashes not the first single of ASG? (and why were two ballads released as singles?) Also No Substtute could have been a hit too? If they had a problem with the vocals then don't show the singer.. Do what Dokken did with that video they were driving around in cars or something.

Real mystifying stuff.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:43 am

Somebody on Metal Sludge misreported that Dana left the tour .they got a replacement ,and it fell apart soon afterwards. Seek and ye shall find the truth.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:02 am

i think the record company did have a major responsability in not being able to promote the band properly

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:09 am

It sounds like the record company sabotaged the band to create Slaughter.

ankh · Post by **ankh** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:18 am

i think that they made a conscious decision to first promote mark in a Bon Jovi/white lion kind of way and the band like a teenage appealing kind of band and then they did not push the band anymore when Vinnie wasn't cooperating in the way they want him to.So, probably they did begin to speak with Dana and the rest- together with the way Vinnie was behaving- did make the whole thing crumble.
In the end they did get what they wanted-a sort of metal band that could play accessible music, with more selling power and better image.at the same time, they did get rid of the troublemaker.They did reach their goal.

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:35 am

yes, i don't think they knew what to do. I think they should have pulled Mark out of the band before ASG if they wanted to promote him and let Vinnie get going on his own. I think they must have been worried about the over the top style of the first record. That record company could have made the first record a hit if they had put out those singles and figured out how to make a video without Robert. It seems like VVI was not a priority.

But releasing ballads as the first singles on ASG seemed like a desperate move to try and get a hit off the mark. And on top of that those videos got next to no mtv play or any radio play. They should have hit mtv and the radio hard with those tunes as they would have taken to them. If think they wanted VVI to fail like ankh said.

Post by **Genebaby** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:10 am

Even my little sister loves ASG, from having heard it a thousand times, so it certainly was possible for it to be a hit with the Bon Jovi generation. Something for everyone on that record (she prefers the ballads, lol).

I'm not sure it would have ever worked out for Vinnie the way it could for Yngwie due to Vinnie's "ways".....

Had Robert stayed along they might have wanted to focus on him due to a more professional attitude and worth ethic, from the reports of the time they were impressed with Mark all round.

Vinnie was the guy with the contract and was milking it big time, so they took it away from him. It wasn't just the band he lost, it was his recording contract.

He did try again but as we know nothing came about. Again there was talk of contract abuse, so not surprising he got dropped but no excuse not to release something. Though we did get Euphoria....

birnie · Post by **birnie** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:24 am

I used to keep clippings of atricles about fav bands back in the day, and i'm sure i read a quote from...probably Mark.....saying that they were all struggling to afford food to put in their mouths, and yet one of them was driving around in a red convertable.

Post by **Genebaby** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:26 am

That doesn't help band dynamics!!!

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:43 am

yes, there was no way those guys could be blamed for trying to get their own band together to make some money. If they were struggling just to live then it was on the cards from day one.

teej · Post by **teej** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:59 am

i remember mark stating that he was sick of spending 12 hrs a day in the studio being told how shit he was ... well in my opppinion i'd have spent at least 16 hrs telling him how shit he was

doublev · Post by **doublev** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:15 pm

lol. Mark may have had a hard time but he got good reviews for ASG. Maybe because of VV working overtime with him.
Mark seems like a pretty nice guy however.

Shred4hire · Post by **Shred4hire** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:44 pm

divide and conquer is what the major record companys did they would pin you all agaisnt each other to retain control of the band to get what they wnated out of you .., if you as a band was unified you are stronger and cannot be controled ..

Eric klaastad was the bassist in " trouble tribe" on Chrysalis records 1990 ,eric is a close friend of mine .. they had alot of trouble with them ( the record company) doing stuff like that even fudging album sales ( the band was told they sold 80,000) .. but eric told me in the studio the record companies would try to get to your ego .or try to make you feel like your the most important person in the band.. ect ect thats what his band had only one album, he left after a tour with mr big and before they went in to do the 2nd album.

he hated the situation he was in and its damaged his friend ship with the other members

plus like some of you noted money is always the issue they want to make the buck and if they cant YOUR OUT..
cb

Shred4hire · Post by **Shred4hire** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:46 pm

Shred4hire · Post by **Shred4hire** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:48 pm

tha video has been edited and is alil messed up

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:28 am

Dana left? No, I heard Vinnie left and they replaced him.....

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:35 am

OUCH

Post by **Genebaby** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:11 am

Just keeping it real.....

Quentin Aaron · Post by **Quentin Aaron** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:10 pm

There was a guy named Dana who played with V Gasp! lol

jk

Lil' Jack Horny · Post by **Lil' Jack Horny** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:49 pm

I'll tell you what it was, ASG came out too late in the 80's, in the bizarre vortex between the years of 1987-1991 where good bands put out good music that didn't sell well because grunge was starting out. Think about it, Winger rocked, Ratt's Reach For The Sky was genius, Lizzy Borden's Visual Lies, Bulletboys, Extreme 1 and Pornograffiti were both great albums, they just came out too late in the 80's, despite their quality. Makes me ashamed to be a Seattle native sometimes.

vinniefan83 · Post by **vinniefan83** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:38 am

ankh wrote:i think that they made a conscious decision to first promote mark in a Bon Jovi/white lion kind of way and the band like a teenage appealing kind of band and then they did not push the band anymore when Vinnie wasn't cooperating in the way they want him to. So, probably they did begin to speak with Dana and the rest- together with the way Vinnie was behaving- did make the whole thing crumble.
In the end they did get what they wanted-a sort of metal band that could play accessible music, with more selling power and better image.at the same time, they did get rid of the troublemaker.They did reach their goal.

Yep, that's the story I'd go with... some of the ideas people have said on this page sound like they think it was all run by personal grudges and silly trivia like that. Record companies are businesses, these musicians are business men. Record Compnaies try to promote a product, if it doesn't sell to their expectations they stop pouring money into it and look for the next investment.

They wouldn't have had to approach Dana, he'd have contacted the record company himself with Mark I reckon. Dana's smart business guy from what I hear. Him and Mark were not too pleased at Vinnie and in much the same way as Vinnie thought "I could do this without them" when he was in Kiss, Dana and Mark probably thought that about Vinnie when ASG didn't hit the top of the charts...

As with the Vinnie/Kiss argument, the Vinnie/Fleischmann argument and so many others in music history, it simply comes down to business at the end of the day...

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