Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:51 am

Brainsaw can you also tell me and show me these ashes to ashes singles the radios were playing? You said the first single? The wikipedia which I know could be wrong said the album sold 150k total which even seems high to me.
I am just saying asg was obscure in 88 not anything like you are saying. I was in the middle of high school rock world then doing nothing but hunting down vvi stuff.
Again show me the ashes to ashes singles the radio stations were playing with the radio edit?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:54 am

I was around. No radio no mtv no merchandise no singles.
The singles were actually relessed as the band split.
You obviously were not around.
Yes magazine articles but not like other bands.
I am talking asg only here.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:55 am

At least I am 100% certain your not vinnie now.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:03 am

And mark slaughter had very little fame from vvi before slaughter even though chrysalis tried.
I was at a few slaughter shows on the hot in the shade tour and mark introduced burnin bridges as a song about someone you may know.. yet mo one had a clue . I bet 5 people in the audience knew he was talking about vinnie. Mark made his name in slaughter not vvi.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:11 am

Brainsaw I grew up with my parents in the record industry. They make up figures to market to fans.. concert promoters publicits etc. Nothing coming from the industry is real. 400k in 2 months is impossible. I know that for sure.

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:14 am

I also was a VVI fan when All Systems Go came out...I was 13 at the time and the only reason I knew it was out was because of a few articles in either Hit Parader, Metal Edge or Circus I forget which. I remember the article basically said that Vinnie was completely stoked to have Mark in the band...that he brought so much positivity to the band...they called him smiley...stuff like that. Point is VV was still the focal point when the album was released. AND I remember ABSOLUTELY NO airplay of the album I grew up in Houston Texas and there was an all Metal station called Z Rock and I listened to it very frequently and even there I don't remember hearing any VVI. In fact...the only reason I knew of VVI was because I saw the BAGR video ONCE or TWICE on MTV back in '86. I loved the album so much that any scrap of info I found about them in the magazines I devoured...it wasn't very much. So from my perspective VVI WAS NOT PROMOTED BY CHRYSALIS for whatever reason.

Speaking of...I enjoyed the podcast I liked the interview with Hirsh especially...the Chrysalis guy sounded like he kinda had an ax to grind to me...but I enjoyed hearing another perspective

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:19 am

I grew up listening to z rock too. Vvi got little play with firsr record and the kids did know them but asg had nothing.. nitjing at all for radio and 2 or 3 max plays on the ball untill slaughter.also no merchandise in shops or if there was it was very hard to come bye.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:22 am

I will say the tab book showed up from time to time though mostly after the split. You could even find it in the mall.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:25 am

doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw I grew up with my parents in the record industry. They make up figures to market to fans.. concert promoters publicits etc. Nothing coming from the industry is real. 400k in 2 months is impossible. I know that for sure.

Yep, I will have to go with Dino on this one. I'd believe an insider before I'd believe a TRADE paper.

Dino's family has been in the entertainment business for many years YET we still don't know who Brainsaw is because they have declined to introduce themself .
Brainsaw has been here under a different name before. Let's see if they can step up and come clean.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:31 am

I would have loved asg to have been a hit so I am not arguing that just arguing that brainsaw said a huge merchandising campaign sales and radio happened.
Maybe in hollywood vv was a touch more popular but the hollywood gig was nit that well attended and brunette who were bigger than vvi in los angeles were on the bill. Still doesnt change mtv radio etc. If brainsaw wsnts to throw some more figures and that ashes single at me i would love to see but when you lived it you knew vvi were not everywhere apart from some magazine coverage. Certainly a lot less than la guns who opened up for vvi.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:32 am

poserboy71 wrote:
doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw I grew up with my parents in the record industry. They make up figures to market to fans.. concert promoters publicits etc. Nothing coming from the industry is real. 400k in 2 months is impossible. I know that for sure.
Yep, I will have to go with Dino on this one. I'd believe an insider before I'd believe a TRADE paper.

Dino's family has been in the entertainment business for many years YET we still don't know who Brainsaw is because they have declined to introduce themself .
Brainsaw has been here under a different name before. Let's see if they can step up and come clean.

poserboy71 wrote:
Yep, I will have to go with Dino on this one. I'd believe an insider before I'd believe a TRADE paper.

Dino's family has been in the entertainment business for many years .

Yes, why believe and insider who also has the information straight from Chrysalis and the publicists... not to mention the trades to back it up. Yeah, they just made up ASG being ahead of Run DMC, Queesrych etc.

All the airplay mentioned and its charts-- that's fantasy too.

All the posters at retail... all the full and half page ads. All the 4-6 page stories on VVI. Even though they exist, they don't count.

Dino doesn't know jack. I don't know who is parents are but its obvious the kid knows nothing.

And since ASG wasn't promoted at all and nobody knew about it--that's why it debuted on Billboard at 181. Shot up 101 spots in the 2nd week alone.

AND ITS A FLAT OUT LIE TO SAY I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE ....but lies and falsehoods are rampant around this board.

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:41 am

Brainsaw you can believe whatever you want spout whatever you want...I don't care who you are. But you aren't going to convince me because I lived in a major city in the US (that the drummer of VVI had ties to for Godsake). And I remember how it went down there.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:42 am

I still haven't heard an introduction there, KNOWITALL.
Prove this liar wrong then.
Put your money where your fucking big mouth is .
Until you do, your so-called insider information will be considered fiction.

Show us the physical documents instead of typed information.

We as fans, are supplying what it was like for us , in the streets, being a Vinnie fan.
Most Kiss fans either hated or didn't know who Vinnie was. Sad truth.
We had to scour for information and product simply because it was never there.

I am curious as to who bought these VVI albums but didn't show up to the shows.
I was there. Were you ?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:51 am

This is how obssesed I was with vvi
I would go into record stores back then. 3 or 4 times a week and I would ask the store how many asg and vvi cds tgey had sold and most of the time none. This is from release date until 1990. I always asked and one was a heavy metal specialist.. plus my dad worked all over the states and a little in europe in 88 89 1990 and I would travel with him often on weekends and holidays and check out record stores and never saw a vvi shirt in 88. They even had kingdom come and white lion shirts but never vvi.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:53 am

It wasn't like there was no product in the stores because it sold out. It was because it was NEVER THERE.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:54 am

5minLuvKills wrote:Brainsaw you can believe whatever you want spout whatever you want...I don't care who you are. But you aren't going to convince me because I lived in a major city in the US (that the drummer of VVI had ties to for Godsake). And I remember how it went down there.

Funny then why is it in the HITS "Breakouts"

Southwest Wholesale/ Robert Richardson/ HOUSTON, TX
Price
Run DMC
Tracy Chapman
Weird Al
VINNIE VINCENT

In the May 22 issue 1988, VINNIE is #5 in Houston area for "new and resurging albums".

Guess other people in Houston were alot better at getting all the news from any of the magazines etc than you were...

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:55 am

poserboy71 wrote:It wasn't like there was no product in the stores because it sold out. It was because it was NEVER THERE.

Sure thing! That's why it shot up 101 spaces in just the 2nd week on Billboard. The lame excuses are hilarious!

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:58 am

Not saying it was Vin's fault ,but that is what I lived.

Now where's that Brainsaw introduction and also copies of these TRADE magazines ?

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:01 am

poserboy71 wrote:Not saying it was Vin's fault ,but that is what I lived.

What you "lived" is totally different from reality. Reality is... it flew off the shelves. Notice you don't even have an answer for why it jumped 101 spots in just its 2nd week on Billboard.

All you're going by is "faded memories" instead of actual facts.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:08 am

Brainsaw wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:Not saying it was Vin's fault ,but that is what I lived.
What you "lived" is totally different from reality. Reality is... it flew off the shelves. Notice you don't even have an answer for why it jumped 101 spots in just its 2nd week on Billboard.

All you're going by is "faded memories" instead of actual facts.

I believe that we have already said that we don't trust TRADE MAGS.
I never said that ASG or the debut never sold well but in my area, it was a dead issue.

By the way, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU ? Or should I say, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ? SLURP !

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:16 am

I Australia ASG was a lot easier to get than the first album was. First Album harder to get in Sydney, but as available at the Metal Record store, Utopia or a place called Red Eye Records as they go in tones of import stuff.
The BGR video got played on the Australia MTV. When ASG come out it was easier to get at the local store. Remember stubbing across it at a Record store Birken Head Point. Only had the cassette, so I grab it (as I was desperate to hear it) & then purchase an imported Vinyl (liked the imports more,,,sometime you wouldn't get the inner sleeves on the local pressings) & then I purchased a Japanese Important as it was rumored more material was going to be on it. There wasn't any new material. All the time, there was no advertising or anything like that. We had the MTV Nightmare on Elm Street special air & saw the clip for 'Love Kills', but never saw the clip for 'That Time Of Year' till the internet was available. I do remember seeing a quarter page in our 'Gig Guide/Music News paper' either 'On the Street' or 'the Drum' for the first album. It was several months after I had purchased my copy (for something like $35) from the importer store, Red Eye Records'

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:42 am

Brainsaw it was not flying of he shelves. No way in hell. You could find it in most stores.. but you are so so so wrong. Its beyond ridiculous what you are saying.
You are so miss informed .
Please show a link to the ashes to ashes single with radio edit that came out before the videos?
I would like to own that.
Asg was a massive flop in sales.. radio play... merchandise and mtv play. To be honest it was freaky how little radio and mtv it got while vvi were still together. No radio though even with slaughter making it big

I never even saw vvi advertising in record stores.. maybe once but certainly next to nothing.

Brainsaw you are talking outbof your ass on this one.

Even in uk and japan where they had great reviews and publicity there was no radio or tv play and low sales.

Like I said it was freakly low coverage on tv radio. Steve stevens atmoic playboys... badlands and blue murder got way more air and tv .
Ace didnt do too well either in 88 but insane had a little more mtv play but equally no radio play on rock stations.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:52 am

I am finished with brainsaw until she answers some questions and shows me what I asked . Saying I wasnt around is the talk of a num skull . Unless she answerers questions I know consider her a troll .

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:05 pm

I would boot your ass if I could. Telling me I didnt live through it.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:21 pm

Ok I'm older than most here and I will check in with my faded memories from all those years ago. Speaking from the metropolis of Southern California. My 1st copy of Invasion was on vinyl and the only song that ever played on local radio was Boyz are Gonna Rock. There were 3 local stations at the time that would support this music, KCAL FM Redlands, KLOS Los Angeles and Pirate Radio in Los Angeles. We once also had a great radio station called KNAC 106 Long Beach but they had changed play formats by this time and no longer supported hard rock or heavy metal.

My 1st copy of All Systems Go was a cassette tape that I just stumbled upon looking through the music racks at an old all in one store that used to exist in California called Fedco. I was a Kiss Fan and Vinnie Vincent Fan as well as a guitar player and I had never heard any promotion or build up of All Systems Go until I stumbled upon the cassette in a variety type store. I will concede that I may have just missed the build up and any hype if there was any because for this recording to be in a store like this it must have had some significant distribution at least in Southern California. Fedco at the time was a store that you might compare to todays Walmarts that also have a grocery store. A place where you could go and buy everything that you need in one place. "A one stop shop" Fedco didn't have a large variety of music just the fastest moving or what you could call the hottest new titles and All Sytems Go was there. I was as hard as a groom on his wedding night and couldn't hardly wait to get back to the car and put in the cassette deck of the car stereo. I was excited and blown away when I heard the opening track Ashes to Ashes and I believed that I listened to it 3 or 4 times before I let it progress to the next song. Along with this I must have replayed the solo an additional 4 or 5 times too. In regards to "ASG" I don't ever recall hearing Ashes to Ashes on the radio but ...... Love Kills and That Time of Year did both get some significant airplay.

Here's the truth as I remember it. I think both sides of this debate will get some support from this post and in reality the truth may lie somewhere in the middle between these two opposing viewpoints.

Kev 1965

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:41 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:Brainsaw you can believe whatever you want spout whatever you want...I don't care who you are. But you aren't going to convince me because I lived in a major city in the US (that the drummer of VVI had ties to for Godsake). And I remember how it went down there.

Funny then why is it in the HITS "Breakouts"

Southwest Wholesale/ Robert Richardson/ HOUSTON, TX
Price
Run DMC
Tracy Chapman
Weird Al
VINNIE VINCENT

In the May 22 issue 1988, VINNIE is #5 in Houston area for "new and resurging albums".

Guess other people in Houston were alot better at getting all the news from any of the magazines etc than you were...

If VV is under Weird Al..who although I like he is considered a NOVELTY act...then I rest my case

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:19 pm

5minLuvKills wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:Brainsaw you can believe whatever you want spout whatever you want...I don't care who you are. But you aren't going to convince me because I lived in a major city in the US (that the drummer of VVI had ties to for Godsake). And I remember how it went down there.

Funny then why is it in the HITS "Breakouts"

Southwest Wholesale/ Robert Richardson/ HOUSTON, TX
Price
Run DMC
Tracy Chapman
Weird Al
VINNIE VINCENT

In the May 22 issue 1988, VINNIE is #5 in Houston area for "new and resurging albums".

Guess other people in Houston were alot better at getting all the news from any of the magazines etc than you were...
If VV is under Weird Al..who although I like he is considered a NOVELTY act...then I rest my case

Of course Weird Al's album was certified Gold that July and was later certified Platinum. Every album ahead of Vinnie in the Houston area ended up platinum or multi-platinum.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:31 pm

poserboy71 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:Not saying it was Vin's fault ,but that is what I lived.
What you "lived" is totally different from reality. Reality is... it flew off the shelves. Notice you don't even have an answer for why it jumped 101 spots in just its 2nd week on Billboard.

All you're going by is "faded memories" instead of actual facts.
I believe that we have already said that we don't trust TRADE MAGS.
I never said that ASG or the debut never sold well but in my area, it was a dead issue.

How convenient not to trust any of the trade magazines. Far better to go off "faded and false memories" from 24 years ago.

Here they were traveling in a tank in LA and made stops at KNAC, Radio and Records, Billboard, Album Network and Rip. Heck, most of you all will claim there was never a tank either.

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:38 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:Brainsaw you can believe whatever you want spout whatever you want...I don't care who you are. But you aren't going to convince me because I lived in a major city in the US (that the drummer of VVI had ties to for Godsake). And I remember how it went down there.

Funny then why is it in the HITS "Breakouts"

Southwest Wholesale/ Robert Richardson/ HOUSTON, TX
Price
Run DMC
Tracy Chapman
Weird Al
VINNIE VINCENT

In the May 22 issue 1988, VINNIE is #5 in Houston area for "new and resurging albums".

Guess other people in Houston were alot better at getting all the news from any of the magazines etc than you were...
If VV is under Weird Al..who although I like he is considered a NOVELTY act...then I rest my case

Of course Weird Al's album was certified Gold that July and was later certified Platinum. Every album ahead of Vinnie in the Houston area ended up platinum or multi-platinum.

Well dang it you are right Brainsaw I must have imagined the whole thing

Maybe my whole life has been a Lucid dream like in Vanilla Sky

I bought it on Cassette tape at the Sam Goody's in Sharpstown mall (how's that for fadded memories...go check that I'm sure it's on record somewhere) From what I remember it was pretty readily available but I won't attest to that because all I knew is I had my copy...it was the summer if I'm not mistaken...I hung out with the "headbanger" clique none of them save for 1 who was a the biggest Kiss fan I knew/know listened to VVI, I never heard it on the radio I think I saw the video for That Time of Year once on some friday night videos type show on basic cable (not MTV) the next fall.

As for my not being in the loop...ok if you think so since your Trade magazines tell you differently then you go ahead and believe them.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:53 pm

5minLuvKills wrote:As for my not being in the loop...ok if you think so since your Trade magazines tell you differently then you go ahead and believe them.

In the Southwest Region "Ashes To Ashes" was getting play on 41% of the stations in the May 17 report.

Including
KATP Amaraillo
KATT Oklahoma City
KDXR Amarillo
KFMG Albquerque
KFMX Lubbock
KISS San Antonio
KLAQ El Paso
KMOD Tulsa
KNCN Corpus Christie
KTAO Taos
KTXQ Dallas
KZRR Albuquerque

Reality VS Perceptions and of course Houston sucks

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:59 pm

Brainsaw wrote:Houston sucks

The town you live in sucks more...I read it in a magazine

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:40 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:As for my not being in the loop...ok if you think so since your Trade magazines tell you differently then you go ahead and believe them.

In the Southwest Region "Ashes To Ashes" was getting play on 41% of the stations in the May 17 report.

Including
KATP Amaraillo
KATT Oklahoma City
KDXR Amarillo
KFMG Albquerque
KFMX Lubbock
KISS San Antonio
KLAQ El Paso
KMOD Tulsa
KNCN Corpus Christie
KTAO Taos
KTXQ Dallas
KZRR Albuquerque

Reality VS Perceptions and of course Houston sucks

you are either an OCD-inflicted Cusano fan or Vinnie himself...

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:42 pm

Brainsaw wrote:

Too funny, I grab a pic from the net just to show an example of what the Fan Club (that supposedly didn't send anything out) looked like and guess what some laughable person thinks. Oh goodness.

But what do you expect from someone who said their magazine stuff was "minimal"

No wonder Vinnie hates this place! It's a joke!

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:46 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:

Too funny, I grab a pic from the net just to show an example of what the Fan Club (that supposedly didn't send anything out) looked like and guess what some laughable person thinks. Oh goodness.

But what do you expect from someone who said their magazine stuff was "minimal"

No wonder Vinnie hates this place! It's a joke!

ok, either you're David Snowden on a coke binge or Vinnie himself...

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:50 pm

PinkWiz wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:As for my not being in the loop...ok if you think so since your Trade magazines tell you differently then you go ahead and believe them.

In the Southwest Region "Ashes To Ashes" was getting play on 41% of the stations in the May 17 report.

Including
KATP Amaraillo
KATT Oklahoma City
KDXR Amarillo
KFMG Albquerque
KFMX Lubbock
KISS San Antonio
KLAQ El Paso
KMOD Tulsa
KNCN Corpus Christie
KTAO Taos
KTXQ Dallas
KZRR Albuquerque

Reality VS Perceptions and of course Houston sucks
you are either an OCD-inflicted Cusano fan or Vinnie himself...

No, just having fun at the "haters and jealous ones expense". Because they never heard it on the radio meant it wasn't being played ANYWHERE. Just like there was only "minimal magazine coverage" and that of course was quickly shot down as well. I just love how they keep digging themselves in "deeper and deeper" (pun intended)

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:54 pm

Brainsaw wrote:
PinkWiz wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
5minLuvKills wrote:As for my not being in the loop...ok if you think so since your Trade magazines tell you differently then you go ahead and believe them.

In the Southwest Region "Ashes To Ashes" was getting play on 41% of the stations in the May 17 report.

Including
KATP Amaraillo
KATT Oklahoma City
KDXR Amarillo
KFMG Albquerque
KFMX Lubbock
KISS San Antonio
KLAQ El Paso
KMOD Tulsa
KNCN Corpus Christie
KTAO Taos
KTXQ Dallas
KZRR Albuquerque

Reality VS Perceptions and of course Houston sucks
you are either an OCD-inflicted Cusano fan or Vinnie himself...

No, just having fun at the "haters and jealous ones expense". Because they never heard it on the radio meant it wasn't being played ANYWHERE. Just like there was only "minimal magazine coverage" and that of course was quickly shot down as well. I just love how they keep digging themselves in "deeper and deeper" (pun intended)

but my question is... why do you care so much???

but then again, my question as a Vinnie fan to myself is... why do I care so much??

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:01 am

Brainsaw...or BS for short

I don't know what point you think you proved...I am relating to you my personal experience. Since you don't wanna do anything but pull bullshit facts and figures out your ass I can only ASSume that is all you have to go by. If you were to tell me VH's first album was a HUGE album I'd believe you because I don't know anyone who hasn't heard that album and most people have it. See what I mean? ...I remember when ASG came out...IT WAS BARELY NOTICED BY MOST METALHEADS...LET ALONE THE GENERAL PUBLIC

Van Halen - OU812
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Judas Priest - Ram It Down
Stryper - In God We Trust
Slayer - South of Heaven
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Poison - Open Up and Say Ahh (yuck I feel gross for even listing them)

those were the big albums ijust in hard rock/heavy metal...In the summer alone that were popular...and that's just of the top of my head. Remarkably I have a very good memory about Music...

As I have said I really don't care where you are getting your jacked up facts and figures because I lived through it and no amount of your BS, BS is going to change my memories. At the age I was when this came out (13) I was very attuned to what was popular...if you tried to pull that stuff now you could probably get away with it because I don't know (nor do I care) what is popular these days.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:03 am

Sorry it wasnt getting radio play and show me the single with radio edit please.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:06 am

Z rock covered lots of cities nationaly and it wasnt played. I used to call and request it all the time but they never played it. To argue asg was a msinstream or popular metal album is nuts.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:13 am

Why did yiu say houston sucks by the way?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:07 am

Snowden may say good things about vv now but he wasnt so hot on him towards the end either.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:08 am

Back on topic.
Interesting about the elevator phobia. He also hates flying and roller coasters .

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:16 am

Yeah...good point doublev2...I think that might explain a lot...without getting too much into psychanalyizing VV

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:28 am

Hello and welcome back Levay

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:53 am

BS, We are not haters. We are simply filling in the story. We have similar stories from members from around the WORLD.
Just like today, if you wanted ANYTHING Vinnie, you had to search high and low .

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:15 am

yeah VVI was obscure. you could find the cd and tab book occasionally and thats it

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:01 pm

5minLuvKills wrote:Brainsaw...or BS for short

I don't know what point you think you proved...I am relating to you my personal experience. Since you don't wanna do anything but pull bullshit facts and figures out your ass I can only ASSume that is all you have to go by. If you were to tell me VH's first album was a HUGE album I'd believe you because I don't know anyone who hasn't heard that album and most people have it. See what I mean? ...I remember when ASG came out...IT WAS BARELY NOTICED BY MOST METALHEADS...LET ALONE THE GENERAL PUBLIC

Van Halen - OU812
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Judas Priest - Ram It Down
Stryper - In God We Trust
Slayer - South of Heaven
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Poison - Open Up and Say Ahh (yuck I feel gross for even listing them)

And yet in the HITS TRADE publication under the BREAKOUTS

Vinnie is even ahead of POISON. He's ahead of Queesnryche as well. VVI All Systems Go is #4 behind Prince, Tracy Chapman and Bruce Hornsby.

Run DMC is behind them, Queensryche, Hall and Oats, Al B Sure, Poison and Joe Jackson.

Thats nationally.

So don't tell me All Systems Go wasn't selling at retail! To say otherwise is a flat out lie!

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:05 pm

Metal Edge 1988 Year End Awards:

Best Video
Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar On Me"
Poison "Fallen Angel"
Poison "Nothin But A Good Time"
Guns N Roses "Welcome To The Jungle"
Bon Jovi "Bad Medicine"
Guns N Roses "Sweet Child"
Def Leppard "Love Bites
VINNIE VINENT INVASION "LOVE KILLS"

(VVI even beat out Poison's Every Rose) =)

BEST VOCALIST:
Bret Michaels
Joe Elliott
Axl Rose
Jon Bon Jovi
Vince Neil
Michael Sweet
Joey Tempest
MARK SLAUGHTER
Don Dokken
Mike Tramp

5minLuvKills · Post by **5minLuvKills** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:16 pm

Brainsaw wrote:Metal Edge 1988 Year End Awards:

Best Video
Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar On Me"
Poison "Fallen Angel"
Poison "Nothin But A Good Time"
Guns N Roses "Welcome To The Jungle"
Bon Jovi "Bad Medicine"
Guns N Roses "Sweet Child"
Def Leppard "Love Bites
VINNIE VINENT INVASION "LOVE KILLS"

(VVI even beat out Poison's Every Rose) =)

BEST VOCALIST:
Bret Michaels
Joe Elliott
Axl Rose
Jon Bon Jovi
Vince Neil
Michael Sweet
Joey Tempest
MARK SLAUGHTER
Don Dokken
Mike Tramp

WOW...you showed me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:14 pm

Love kills sold NO COPIES please look up love kills sales. LOVE KILS HAD 2 to 3 plays on mtv in 1988.