This douche is making a fun diversion and place to share thoughts into a tedious debate of who is right and who is wrong. Which is one of the things I listed as why I actually post here. If I have to fight to state my opinion, I'm out of here.
-Bob

Plus love kills was back ground music for a few seconds in nightms
Are on elm .. not theme tune like dokken and vvi had no influence on box office sales.like Isaid no one knew vvi in 88

Ken Ham claims the universe is 6,000 years old.
Brainsaw claims All Systems Go nearly went gold.
Now, I've heard every erroneous deliberation unfold.

KissMyAss wrote:Ken Ham claims the universe is 6,000 years old.
Brainsaw claims All Systems Go nearly went gold.
Now, I've heard every erroneous deliberation unfold.

No, the record company states that. And the record companies statements were backed up by Billboard and HITS. Not to mention the airplay that people lied and said didn't occur for "Ashes To Ashes" or the airplay for "That Time of Year" and "Love Kills".

what i dont understand is how they didnt know how to market invasion....but they knew just how to market slaughter....sounds like a shaky shitty record company that slaughter shoulda been more cautious of even in light of their early success.

AceAlive1 wrote:what i dont understand is how they didnt know how to market invasion....but they knew just how to market slaughter....sounds like a shaky shitty record company that slaughter shoulda been more cautious of even in light of their early success.

The first album you had the old Chrysalis people...

For All Systems Go ....there was a much larger marketing effort etc because Mike Bone (who helped break Poison) came on board to head Chrysalis. That's why the band members talk about now there was finally someone over there that new how to market "metal".


Then, by the time of Slaughter, EMI had purchased a 50% stake and later bought the rest.

John Sykes being he best of them: http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... icker=CCMO


and if you saw the 12-12-12 concert http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry ... 3312.story

Sykes has done well for himself

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:Ken Ham claims the universe is 6,000 years old.
Brainsaw claims All Systems Go nearly went gold.
Now, I've heard every erroneous deliberation unfold.

No, the record company states that. And the record companies statements were backed up by Billboard and HITS. Not to mention the airplay that people lied and said didn't occur for "Ashes To Ashes" or the airplay for "That Time of Year" and "Love Kills".

I'm 40 years old. I do not remember All Systems Go flying off the shelves. It wasn't a hit. Most of us, here, were teenagers during the 80s. Nobody, here, remembers ASG selling like hot cakes!!!

Rid yourself of your pride, stuff your magazines in the closet, and GET REAL.

KissMyAss wrote:
I'm 40 years old. I do not remember All Systems Go flying off the shelves..

So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it.

So really, you are basing your claim on ... nothing? That's what I thought.

So should we believe you or the Record Label and the supporting evidence that backs up what the label was saying?

I think we gotta go with the actual facts over your opinion.

BTW--did you ever take a shot at guessing when "Boyz" got on MTV in relation to how many weeks the Album had been on Billboards chart??

Most of us, here, were teenagers during the 80s. Nobody, here, remembers ASG selling like hot cakes!!!

I concur. Of all my friends in High School who were into the whole Glam Metal/Hair Band schtick, I was the ONLY one who owned a copy of All Systems Go. In fact, I'm certain I specifically asked my local record store to order it in for me....there was no other way for me to buy this record locally.

Stick it to ya! on the other hand was marketed as if it were the 'second coming' in the various metal mags I was reading at the time. I recall Slaughter being featured in almost EVERY metal mag. Conversely, I can't say that I ever read too much about VV, if anything at all, when I was a teenager.

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:
I'm 40 years old. I do not remember All Systems Go flying off the shelves..

So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it.

So really, you are basing your claim on ... nothing? That's what I thought.

So should we believe you or the Record Label and the supporting evidence that backs up what the label was saying?

I think we gotta go with the actual facts over your opinion.

BTW--did you ever take a shot at guessing when "Boyz" got on MTV in relation to how many weeks the Album had been on Billboards chart??

Do the math! I'm 40. I was 16 when the album came out in 1988. 1972-1988=16.

I know my age. Women don't lie about being older....SHEESH. :roll Come to think of it, you're not as logical as I thought!

KissMyAss wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:
I'm 40 years old. I do not remember All Systems Go flying off the shelves..

So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it.

Do the math! I'm 40. I was 16 when the album came out in 1988. 1972-1988=16. DUH.

DUH!! That's what you've got when I pointed out you wee 15 or 16 when the album came out in May 1988??!


You're going to have a migraine again!

What month were you born in?

That will tell us whether you were 15 or 16 when the album came out =))

Yes, I turned 16 by May of 1988.

Do you want to see my ID????

KissMyAss wrote:Yes, I turned 16 by May of 1988.

Well, don't come back with a DUH to me.... when you're 40 now but you could have turned 40 in September. I had no way of knowing.

That that little FACT went over your head at first when you made the DUH comment to me for saying 15 or 16....shows me how your mind works. =).

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:Yes, I turned 16 by May of 1988.

Well, don't come back with a DUH to me.... when you're 40 now but you could have turned 40 in September. I had no way of knowing.

That that little FACT went over your head at first when you made the DUH comment to me for saying 15 or 16....shows me how your mind works. =).

To quote you, "So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it."

You doubted that I was 15 or 16 when the album came out. Your problem, not mine. You don't know how anyone else's mind works. I will tell you how my mind works. My intelligence was tested in high school, and I qualified for the TAG program. Talented And Gifted Program. Heard of it? You have to make it over the bell curve to qualify. I'm an ultra critical introverted thinker. I'll find your logical inconsistencies, and kick your butt

KissMyAss wrote:
To quote you, "So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it."

You doubted that I was 15 or 16 when the album came out. Your problem, not mine.

LOL Wiffing again. No, I doubted you were working at a record store. Were you?

If not, you really had no idea what it was doing at retail.

CA schools.... wow!


Also notice your first response:

Do the math! I'm 40. I was 16 when the album came out in 1988. 1972-1988=16.

How was I to do the math then? I had said 15 or 16 and you whine because you are 40 now and I should have done the math! I really couldn't do the math unless I knew what month you were born in.

That flew right over your head!!!!

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:
To quote you, "So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it."

You doubted that I was 15 or 16 when the album came out. Your problem, not mine.

LOL Wiffing again. No, I doubted you were working at a record store. Were you?

If not, you really had no idea what it was doing at retail.

CA schools.... wow!


Also notice your first response:

Do the math! I'm 40. I was 16 when the album came out in 1988. 1972-1988=16.

How was I to do the math then? I had said 15 or 16 and you whine because you are 40 now and I should have done the math! I really couldn't do the math unless I knew what month you were born in.

That flew right over your head!!!!

Correction: Oregon school. Federal program. I took an IQ test in high school, six years ago, and two years ago. Same range.

Maybe it flew over my head because you separated the sentences. A period means that you end one thought, and then begin another. "So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out" is one thought. Working at a record store??? Presumably a second thought. If you wanted to express one thought you should have said, "so you were 15 or 16 when the album came out, AND working at a record store?"

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:
To quote you, "So you were 15 or 16 when the album came out. Working at a record store?? I doubt it."

You doubted that I was 15 or 16 when the album came out. Your problem, not mine.

LOL Wiffing again. No, I doubted you were working at a record store. Were you?

If not, you really had no idea what it was doing at retail.

CA schools.... wow!


Also notice your first response:

Do the math! I'm 40. I was 16 when the album came out in 1988. 1972-1988=16.

How was I to do the math then? I had said 15 or 16 and you whine because you are 40 now and I should have done the math! I really couldn't do the math unless I knew what month you were born in.

That flew right over your head!!!!

I didn't have to work at a record store to know Appetite for Destruction was a hit. Have you ever heard of a top 40 countdown?

I wasn't whining Okay, well, I told you that I was 16. Did you need the month to verify that? I remember the release of ASG. I had been 16 for a couple of months.

Did it matter whether I was 15 or 16? Are you more obsessive compulsive than me?

Brainsaw

NO ONE KNEW ASG. It was an obscure album. Where the hell were you?

Sad but true most people knew the first record and mainly made fun of the look. It was never taken seriously by the kids.

In 86 the kids knew the band and boyz are gonna rock but not many kids were into it.. it was still a specialist album.

in 88 NO KIDS were talking about ASG .. maybe one or two but they were very hard to come by and mostly kiss fanatics.

But ASG was way under the radar. You can not change history and experience Brainsaw.

i would say at least 50 metal/rock albums sold more than ASG in 1988.

Proof: According to Billboard, a favorite source of Brainsaw, All Systems Go PEAKED at #64 on the Billboard charts on June 25,1988. My point IS BACKED UP BY BILLBOARD. ASG was not a hit.

http://www.billboard.com/#/album/vinnie ... s-go/17936



All Systems Go - Vinnie Vincent Invasion





Artist:
Vinnie Vincent Invasion
Produced by:
Vinnie Vincent, Dana Strum


AMG Review

Does that high-pitched wail sound familiar? Well, odds are if you're reading this, you should know it. For Vinnie's second album, good ol' Mark...








Chart History



64


Billboard 200 »

June 25 1988

I have to say thats higher than I thought. I still think something was up because no one knew asg. In 88 I was in two schools in two cities and I met one kid who knew asg and both schools were about 30% heavy metalers.

Not helping that it seemed to peake during school holidays.
Maybe if ashes came out in September the word may have spread through out the high schools.

Brainsaw. Why didnt vv higher new guys to keep touring?

Stop asking that fartbag questions.

KissMyAss wrote:Proof: According to Billboard, a favorite source of Brainsaw, All Systems Go PEAKED at #64 on the Billboard charts on June 25,1988. My point IS BACKED UP BY BILLBOARD. ASG was not a hit.

http://www.billboard.com/#/album/vinnie ... s-go/17936

Who ever said it didn't peak there. Vinnie didn't have a major tour going on. There weren't major TV appearances etc.

But in reality, by June 25, they were already on their 4th or 5th shipment of the album to stores. 375,000 already out by the first of July because of reorders pouring in.

That's why in the HITS trade..... VVVi "ASG" as already at #4 in the Breakout. Ahead of Poison "Open Up and Say Ah" and other bands.

Also, why not go look at another thread that showed how far ASG flew up Billboard the first four weeks?!

I don't think you all pay attention to any of the facts.... but then weren't you the one telling us that Ace was worth $35M or whatever last night?! Wasn't that you???!







All Systems Go: Hot Out Of The Box!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 2, 1988

Chrysalis Press Office New York: 212-758-3555 Los Angeles: 213-550~0171

VINNIE VINCENT INVASION HOT OUT OF THE BOX
New album jumps 101 spots in Billboard in one week!

The Vinnie Vincent Invasion's second album on Chrysalis Records, All Systems Go was shipped four weeks ago and has already outsold their first album! "AII Systems Go" first shipped 250,000 units and many retail outlets are now: on their third orders!

The album entered Billboard's Pop album chart at 181 bullet on May 16, and jumped 101 spots to 80 bullet.

Over 65 AOR stations nationwide have also added the first single, "Ashes to Ashes" to their playlists.


BILLBOARD CHART ACTION OF ALL SYSTEMS GO:
* entered at 181 bullet on May 16
*jumped 101 points to 80 bullet on May 23
* went to 77 bullet on May 30
* jumped 11 points to 66 bullet on June 6

Third order could be 20 copies

Well, if a record company said it in a publicity memo then it must've been true.

What a fuggen jagoff...

erg2 wrote:Well, if a record company said it in a publicity memo then it must've been true.

What a fuggen jagoff...

You forgot the other parts where its backed up by the much larger media push....

where its backed up because they'd already played on two high profile tours....

where its backed up because of the enormous VVI coverage in all the rock magazines ...

where its backed up by the trades etc...

Keep up the lies...you've got nothing of substance to refute the truth with.

Where was the big media push? I never saw it and i was looking everywhere for it.

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:Proof: According to Billboard, a favorite source of Brainsaw, All Systems Go PEAKED at #64 on the Billboard charts on June 25,1988. My point IS BACKED UP BY BILLBOARD. ASG was not a hit.

http://www.billboard.com/#/album/vinnie ... s-go/17936

Who ever said it didn't peak there. Vinnie didn't have a major tour going on. There weren't major TV appearances etc.

But in reality, by June 25, they were already on their 4th or 5th shipment of the album to stores. 375,000 already out by the first of July because of reorders pouring in.

That's why in the HITS trade..... VVVi "ASG" as already at #4 in the Breakout. Ahead of Poison "Open Up and Say Ah" and other bands.

Also, why not go look at another thread that showed how far ASG flew up Billboard the first four weeks?!

I don't think you all pay attention to any of the facts.... but then weren't you the one telling us that Ace was worth $35M or whatever last night?! Wasn't that you???!







All Systems Go: Hot Out Of The Box!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 2, 1988

Chrysalis Press Office New York: 212-758-3555 Los Angeles: 213-550~0171

VINNIE VINCENT INVASION HOT OUT OF THE BOX
New album jumps 101 spots in Billboard in one week!

The Vinnie Vincent Invasion's second album on Chrysalis Records, All Systems Go was shipped four weeks ago and has already outsold their first album! "AII Systems Go" first shipped 250,000 units and many retail outlets are now: on their third orders!

The album entered Billboard's Pop album chart at 181 bullet on May 16, and jumped 101 spots to 80 bullet.

Over 65 AOR stations nationwide have also added the first single, "Ashes to Ashes" to their playlists.


BILLBOARD CHART ACTION OF ALL SYSTEMS GO:
* entered at 181 bullet on May 16
*jumped 101 points to 80 bullet on May 23
* went to 77 bullet on May 30
* jumped 11 points to 66 bullet on June 6[/quote/]

Okay, you win, narcissus. Instead of demeaning others, just stare into the reflection, and admire your brilliance. I understand where you're coming from. You're awesome and everybody else is an idiot

KissMyAss wrote:
Okay, you win, narcissus. Instead of demeaning others, just stare into the reflection, and admire your brilliance. I understand where you're coming from. You're awesome and everybody else is an idiot

No, there's others who accept reality..... they are fine. Then there's ones like yourself...

Dear Anal Rupture,
Please quote the marketing budgets from Chrysalis and the outlets those funds were spent towards. "Big marketing push" is rather vague. I would like to see the plans and ROIs on those investments. Surely those are included in these Chrysalis press releases you quote so fervently.

I await your posting of this concrete evidence of your claims.

Forever yours,
You are a douchebag jagoff

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:
Okay, you win, narcissus. Instead of demeaning others, just stare into the reflection, and admire your brilliance. I understand where you're coming from. You're awesome and everybody else is an idiot

No, there's others who accept reality..... they are fine. Then there's ones like yourself...

Are you truly kind, and not only concerned with showing off statistics? I will accept your reality if you explain it to me. I will apologize, and retract everything I said erroneously. I cannot read your mind.
I did not start out on good terms with my friends, here. We are open minded people, willing to admit mistakes. We are not much different from most people. Most people are good, and well meaning.
You must give other people a chance, before they can give you a chance.

I don't think Ass Pimple wants that. He wants everyone to accept his take on history, no questions asked. If you have different perspectives, then you are stupid. The best part, if you review his information, it's all from shitty sources and if you read how well he writes, he's obviously a clod.

Possibly a SKEETER???

KissMyAss wrote:Possibly a SKEETER???

What do you mean "possibly"?

The push from chrysalis was mainly adds in magazines. And paid publicity to get vvi features in magazine which generally if you pay for an ad in a magazine they will give you an editorial story like vvi at magic kingdom. The only other push came from new line cinema with the freddy half hour. Having vv and mark host the ball was the best work they did but it hardly helped. That said nitro who were more obscure than vvi hosted the ball in 89.

Brainsaw where is the radio edit if ashes that you talked about?

doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw where is the radio edit if ashes that you talked about?

Good point.

KissMyAss wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote:Ken Ham claims the universe is 6,000 years old.
Brainsaw claims All Systems Go nearly went gold.
Now, I've heard every erroneous deliberation unfold.

No, the record company states that. And the record companies statements were backed up by Billboard and HITS. Not to mention the airplay that people lied and said didn't occur for "Ashes To Ashes" or the airplay for "That Time of Year" and "Love Kills".

I'm 40 years old. I do not remember All Systems Go flying off the shelves. It wasn't a hit. Most of us, here, were teenagers during the 80s. Nobody, here, remembers ASG selling like hot cakes!!!

Rid yourself of your pride, stuff your magazines in the closet, and GET REAL.

JJ,
You look young for 40

if ashes to ashes was the first single where is the promo for it? If ashes to ashes was a radio hit show me? if ashes to ashes had a radio edit vv didn't like show me??? HELP ME TO HELP YOU- SHOW ME THE ASHES TO ASHES RADIO EDIT/SINGLE/PROMO as first single? HELP ME HELP YOU BRAINSAW.

Dino lobbed that one over the plate for me.

doublev2 wrote:HELP ME HELP YOU.

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How come tom cruise never ages?

doublev2 wrote:How come tom cruise never ages?

Because he is a Scientologist.

All praise Lord Xenu!!!

doublev2 wrote:How come tom cruise never ages?

cause midgets always look the same age no matter how old they get.

doublev2 wrote:if ashes to ashes was the first single where is the promo for it? If ashes to ashes was a radio hit show me? if ashes to ashes had a radio edit vv didn't like show me???

I may be wrong, but perhaps Ashes was going to be the first single but things changed. You can pick up 12 inch promo copies of it which have a "VAS 1076" title sticker on a generic sleave, see here : http://www.musicstack.com/album/vinnie+ ... s+to+ashes

But maybe they were promos for the album.

syncophile42 wrote:
I may be wrong, but perhaps Ashes was going to be the first single but things changed. You can pick up 12 inch promo copies of it which have a "VAS 1076" title sticker on a generic sleave, see here : http://www.musicstack.com/album/vinnie+ ... s+to+ashes

But maybe they were promos for the album.

Ashes to Ashes was the first single released to radio.

Its been explained several times but you can find it here: http://vvforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4159

Mike Bone (President at the time) explained it: http://vvforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4066


Just try to ignore some people around here. They've made claim after claim that has been shot down and refuted. Like Ashes radio play, the magazine coverage, they were claiming Boyz was hardly ever played on MTV. They claimed That Time and Love Kills was only played a couple of times. Just nonsense stuff.

But again, the answers you want are at the beginning of those two threads.