Vinnie should come out and explain the reason behind him changing at least 3 rr v's after kiss to pink headstocks just to clarify when and why. I think in boys are gonna rock video he had one rr v with pink headstock.. That's the one he threw I think. I could see him changing one for that video to match the vv model one he was using.

If anyone can get a clean still from guitar at end of boyz are gonna rock video ( one he smashes and puts into amp) this may be the florida one. It's been made to look like vv model but it's an rr v with pink headstock and fake shadow v

Closer of neck. 12 fret has kind of dark edge

Now this is even weirder. Reverse shark inlays but black headstock with new logo. The others had gold original logo

I have close up but dont have time to upload

My guess is this is not a gold one. I think vv may have had one more reverse inlay one but maybe he got it after he left kiss. Or for this ad jackson wanted new logo and changed it. If that's the case why did he change headstock 3 times?

It would be so easy and nice to know.

P.S. No one in that ad could be proud of the clothes they were wearing!!!

i liked Vinnie's jacket, he said it was sold years ago.

To me pink on the jackson ad is same as pink on the hard rock/juliens ones. However the first 3 pink ones from liu to me seemed to be a warmer more red pink. Could just be light temperature though.

Yes, its a sad pink, like unofficial pink...doesnt look right to me.

We should start a new thread about that official pink color!

I think there is a picture of vv with a pink headstock dot inlay jackson somewhere to add to the mystery. I think it's from namm 84 or 85 after he left kiss. Can not find it just now.

The '96 KISS convention Rhoads had a pink headstock, though it was missing the neck p/u but that's no biggie.

doublev2 wrote:I think there is a picture of vv with a pink headstock dot inlay jackson somewhere to add to the mystery. I think it's from namm 84 or 85 after he left kiss. Can not find it just now.

Not thinking of that photo where Vinnie's hold some guy's tiger stripe Rhoads?

shramiac wrote:The '96 KISS convention Rhoads had a pink headstock, though it was missing the neck p/u but that's no biggie.

doublev2 wrote:I think there is a picture of vv with a pink headstock dot inlay jackson somewhere to add to the mystery. I think it's from namm 84 or 85 after he left kiss. Can not find it just now.

Not thinking of that photo where Vinnie's hold some guy's tiger stripe Rhoads?

By 96 Vinnie's Rhoads guitars were suspect to me. I always thought to myself, where the hell did he pick up that guitar from? I did not associate it with his 80's guitars, it looked like some crap he picked up super cheap at the time.

clearly 3 vol controls and a pick up selector. Not sure florida hard rock has that

Without a doubt this from juliens has never been photographed in kiss. Not the same vol controls

i think my theory can be true

Ok this maybe a match

But I don't think. The inlays look different

So, we have never ever seen Vinnie again with black headstocks after KISS, right?

Yes never but he was never photographed with those rr v's after kiss apart from kiss expo. Never in vvi or publicity

I am no expert but to me in the live shot it's one vol control and 2 pick up on off switches but could just have lost the controllers.

Not same

I don't believe that juliens guitar has ever been photographed in kiss. I see no vv guitar with three vol controls in a line like that.

weird , he has too much guitars

doublev2 wrote:

Not same

No, because the top one is what we think is in the Hard Rock Hotel in Pattaya.

Vinnie like to sell his guitars to Hard Rock Cafes... I think he bought ten or twenty RR1 in the nineties and sold them occasionally to get some cash...

yes that's very possible

Shram so what or which is juliens one? I see no matches at all for that one, not even close

I am not so sure in 90s too many reverse inlay necks around though

Shram the one you think is in hard rock is different as well
Different vol controls etc. Liu one has screw in plastic scratch plate (ok wrong name)

I see no matches to liu guitars at all. I only see two liu / creatures reverse inlay rr's and one non reverse. All black headstocks and all with different controls

Shram I am now convinced that the pataya beach and juliens jacksons have never been photographed or played in kiss. As for florida hard rock I will have to look again but I am sure not from kiss either

Where are the KISS era guitars now ?

If he lied it will come back on him like a tonne of bricks. You can not sell fakes for lots of money.

If it's pink resprayed headstocks, then who did the job? It seems to be well done, Vinnie couldn't do that by himself.

I'd say those pink headstocks have never been resprayed. Maybe Jackson offered those to Vinnie during VVI days?

Why he has never been seen with black headstocks again?

It's all very, very super suspicious isn't it?

Well I have spoken to jackson about the one in Cardiff and they told me not even a real jackson unless they were fooled by something, so I don't think it's from vvi era

It's clear that all the pickguards are different to kiss ones, all controls in different places or different configurations or different controllers, different paint jobs, different logos, all have non original tremolo and I think pick ups are not original either. What's really sealing the lie to me is he says the juliens guitar has original concert played strings in it. So for that to happen he woukd have had trem removed as it's 100% certain he never used that type of tremolo that's in the juliens guitar, then had pick guard removed, then had position of vol controls moved around, then holes filled, new pickguardand new paint, change color of headstock and hardware .... But then after ALL THAT he decided to put back a used set of strings from the last kiss showche played. So firstly why make changes if putting back old strings? Why spend all that money to have it just sit forever? The original strings claim seals the deal that the juliens guitar is one big lie after another.

What we know 100% is vv never had fine tuning tremolo in kiss or vvi. What we know is he never had pink headstock in kiss and I believe that he never had any guitar with same control set up as juliens guitar (and hard rock ones too). So based on that (I know vv told juliens he had hard time with tremolo so switched to the fine tuners one on juliens but this was never used or photographed with kiss) so then we believe he had paint changed, tremolo and controls changed after kiss which is true. Like i said never seen in kiss. So to put original stage played strings back on after all these mods is total bullshit. Complete lie. I will hopefully find owner of this guitar and pass on the info. Then they can do research.

Even if just one of thrse mods like changing tremolo or headstock paint why would he go through trouble of looking after stage played strings and putting back on? If he never intended to play it again I coukd see maybe putting old strings back on but if he didbt intend to play why do all the mods? It's totalling ridiculous and fraud. It's fraud on two counts. One he did not claim this guitar or any in juliens auction in his bankruptcy declarations and two it's fraud because the description is not correct at all.

I say the owner sends it to grover jackson for inspection.

Exactly Dino, none of his guitars are just as they were last played in KISS. The trems on them were not made until 1987 either.

GREAT FIND !!!
FRAUD

Yes so concert played strings put onto a post 1987 tremolo. Total bs. My theory that he had some bought to smash in boys are gonna rock video could fit. He made that one look like a vv model with fake shadow fin. He smashed one and put one through an amp. Most likely bought some cheap rr v's for boys are gonna rock on video budget and had them painted to.match his vv model with pink headstocks etc. I find it hard to.believe he smashed his prototypes for that video

F FOR FAKE!! Slim chance it is the skeleton of a kiss guitar but I really doubt it. Even inlay markings don't match

I checked the video too. The RR/fake VVV has a pink headstock.