It seems to me that the KISS show needs a kick in the ass.

My first two KISS shows (Creatures and Lick It Up tours) were with the tank stage. They were great and it would be great if the band brought it back. Old guys like me would love it and those that didn't see it live back in the day now could!

That would be truly awesome. The stage now is not much to write home about compared to other bands, it's much of the same.

I wonder if the tank is still in storage somewhere?

Dunno. I remember hearing somewhere (so take this with a grain of salt: it was only something I heard on a pub) that Gene has toyed with the idea at least once, but the problem is that most KISS fans connect the tank more to "The Fox" than "The Cat", and all and all, G&P are well aware that giving Singer Criss' outfit has caused enough controversy as it is: they don't want fans bitching and moaning about having Carr's "stunt" given to Singer.

Now, my thoughts: although all that sounds eerily plausible, this is Gene we're talking about in the end... I mean, c'mon, even by the guy's own admission he IS selfish. If there's money to be done with the tank, he'll use it.

Great pic by the way.

Tony could hire his out to them!!!

I'm missing the tank. Best stage show ever I think

The Kiss stage has been a stage any band can play on . Any Country act has better lights and staging than Kiss does nowadays.


Watch Carr's drum solo from Animalize Live Uncensored. It is the tank riser without the turret . It moves the exact same way --- to the front of the stage and then side to side. I'm surprised that I haven't seen someone mention this before.

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G&P keep talking about how their stage show is bigger and better than ever...but I disagree and that's the reason I did not see the Sonic Boom tour. It's the exact same boring stage with just...more. More video screens doing the exact same thing. Gene spits blood and then flies to the rafters. Tommy does a solo and then shoots.

At least with the HITS and Revenge tours they tried to come up with something new and interesting. I bet if I sat down with a professional stage designer we could come up with 10 new ideas for them in under an hour.

Good pickup Rick, it probably is the tank without the turret and armor...!

Everyone has to remember that a stage show costs money, and although Kiss is a successful band and is very successful in touring, you cant compare them to Rolling Stones, U2 or anything like that in regards to touring, they arent going to make 100-300 million per tour.

There biggest tour they have done in a while was Alive 35 which grossed just over 30 million which is still good but knowing Gene and Paul they are going to try and make as much money as possible per show.

The Sonic Boom Over Europe and Hottest Show on Earth stage shows were probably pushing it as it is, I dont think they could make the show any better than it was on these recent tours, unless they reunited with Ace and Pete for another tour and made a stack load of money.

Hmmmm, new album is gonna be called "Monster"... the tank would fit that. Or they could have Singer's drumset on top of a monster-cat type being (kinda like the ones surrouding Criss' drums on the Destroyer tour) that simulates walking to the front of stage... while blowing smoke and eyes lighting up. Couldn't cost THAT much?

Funny title for a topic. Making me laugh.

My guess is that the Monster show will be almost the exact same thing as the previous tour. Monitors all over the place and lots and lots of pyro.

I sometimes think they are misdirecting everyone's attention from the fact that they really CAN'T put on the show physically that they did before. (Don't get me wrong, I think KISS at 80% is still WAY more concert than almost any other band out there touring.)

Yes erg2, you are probably right... I'm POSITIVE the Monster tour will look just like the previous one. I won't be surprised if Gene tries to tie the new album and tour in with Monster Energy drinks... complete with KISS themed cans.

Kiss are playing in cardiff Wales in the official Michael Jackson farewell. Jackson was a big fan .

Looks like kiss were dropped for something gene said in 2005.

I wish a new guitarist and drummer would come in. Marty Friedman and bobby rock would work.
I would like to see a dark show like creatures or the very early stuff.

Dunno if Marty's (who I worship!) Hungarian and Japanese scales would go down well in a Kiss setting!
He could probably play Ace's stuff left handed though!!!

What do you mean about Hungarian scales? Sounds funny.

Ok you mean Hungarian minor. I was thinking Hungarian folk music.

I don't mind Tommy Thayer. To me he sounds more like Ace Frehley than Ace Frehley EVER did. It's like when you hear an impressionist do an impersonation of William Shatner and you think it sounds more like Shatner than the real deal. Tommy has discovered the most recognizable elements of how Ace used to play and exaggerates them. In a lot of ways those recognizable elements were truly the classic KISS sound.

As I've said on here many times, I do not care for Eric Singer stylistically as the drummer for KISS. I think he plays too much, has too many fills and his hi-hat work has no personality...it sounds like a drum machine. (On the one hand that's impressive, but I'll take Criss or Carr on the hi-hat any day.) I loved his playing in previous bands. I always did the "what if" Bobby Rock had joined KISS when Carr was ill/passed on, but only if they were headed for the more metal sound of REVENGE. He wouldn't be a good fit for the classic KISS style.

I just wish KISS could get away from the "positive message" kick Paul Stanley has been on since the 1980's. I know a lot of people thought it was the best song, but I thought STAND was a piece of pandering drivel.

PinkWiz wrote:I think Singer and Thayer work perfectly in KISS nowadays. New characters would've been cool (maybe use the old Bandit and Hawk makeups) but believe me, if Gene and Paul would've had the rights in the early 80's, Carr and Vinnie would've been the Cat and Spaceman.

That is very true sir

Dear KISS, Don't just Bring back the TANK!, but also bring back the Ankh! (or as i like to affectionately refer to him these days, 'the Wank')

Tommy and Bruce fit in perfectly but KISS would IMO get an edge back if Vinnie rejoined (yes I DO realize that would never happen) but damn it would be cool... for the whole two weeks that it would last.

PW, You think it would last THAT LONG ???