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Sounds about right. I've heard similar reviews of VVI shows.

Dana really is as thick as a brick isn't he. The phone number on the drums put you through to a tour dates & info line and "the record company thought it was some kind of advertising".

DOH!!!

I think Dana is a great bass player, but I've watched a lot of interviews with him and, just as in this one, he comes off as an obnoxious moron who believes every suck-up that tells him he is intelligent and funny.

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Can they cut each other off any more ! Sheeze !

It's pretty much the same on any multi-person interview with Strum that you see. He can't give anyone else 2 seconds in the limelight.

not the smartest dudes back then but they did sell two and a half million copies of the first CD and were MTV's number one requested act for three weeks in a row.

Back in the day I never did like slaughter I would turn them off. But I guess I could give them a try.I know. One of my friend on fb is a huge fan of mark.

Even a moron can have a hit record. Britney Spears anyone?

Strum was also fully complicit with ex musician Cusano's shady activity. Lies, theft etc.

Strum was just as nuts as Vincent.
Burnin Bridges is a great song and brilliant lyrics about Vinnie. Actually they sound a touch better than i remember. But still no where near VVI.

yeah but remember they lived off no money. Also remember Robert sued VVI.

i understand what you say about being VV's band and maybe they should have just kept quiet about the solo.

doublev2 wrote:i understand what you say about being VV's band and maybe they should have just kept quiet about the solo.

I think so. I mean when you watch the Toronto concert, and Vinnie does his solo, everyone cheers through the whole thing and wants more. So I think that a lot of people did love the solos and want to see Vinnie play them.

gonnarock wrote:It is funny how Dana and Mark forget that the band was not theirs. It was called the 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion', it was Vinnie's band.....

Yer Ok, I'm fine with it being 'Vinnie Vincent's Rising Force'. Cool, it's Vinnie's band. Thing is if you are the 'boss' of a business, a small business like VVI was, then as the 'boss' you get paid last...not first & everyone else misses out. Your employees get paid first. As the 'boss', the business is your responsibility. You want the glory, well then, you gotta take the responsibility of it all falling on your shoulders. In VVI case, I'd say VV was the little piggy weaseling all the money & his band members, employees getting nothing. In saying that I'm sure Strum would have been filtering some funds his own way. Also Strum was playing both sides of the equation. Using VV at the time of VVI & in the back ground getting in Mark's ear about creating 'Slaughter'. I don't blame Mark for doing Slaughter, especially if he wasn't getting paid. The Man's got to make money too.

doublev2 wrote:not the smartest dudes back then but they did sell two and a half million copies of the first CD and were MTV's number one requested act for three weeks in a row.

They sold so much because of the VVI... as much of a dipshit that Vinnie may be, without him Slaughter would not have stood a chance. Thanx Vinnie for forcing Slaughter on us cause u had to fuck everything up..

PinkWiz wrote:Thanx Vinnie for forcing Slaughter on us cause u had to fuck everything up..

Ahhhh, come on. There were certainly worse bands than Slaughter, right?

Firstly vvi was not a very popular or well known band (they had a little publicity at the start but not much later on) They were kind of obscure. Out of the 2.5 million sales slaughter had with stick it to ya I would say no more than 10 thousand people who bought it knew about vvi . Remember kiss were hardly big news in the late 80s and the big collectors were not in full force. most of my friends didnt even know vvi had a second album out. Certainty you never heard them being referred to ex vinnie Vincent (apart from serious magazines like kerrang).
Yes the record label thing that vv obviously got helped them but according to vinnie he never even wanted mark, he said the label pushed him through, so to be honest I do not think vv helped slaughter have sucsess one bit.

I remember when up all night aired first on the ball everyone at school was singing it Monday morning. I would say it was just good enough and one of those catch tunes that stuck with you. That's why it was a hit. Hits end to be simple and straight forward. Vvi was not like that which is why I love vvi.

amazing to think Slaughter's stick it to ya sold more copies than all Vinnie's combined sales with Kiss and VVI.

metatron wrote:

gonnarock wrote:It is funny how Dana and Mark forget that the band was not theirs. It was called the 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion', it was Vinnie's band.....

Yer Ok, I'm fine with it being 'Vinnie Vincent's Rising Force'. Cool, it's Vinnie's band. Thing is if you are the 'boss' of a business, a small business like VVI was, then as the 'boss' you get paid last...not first & everyone else misses out. Your employees get paid first. As the 'boss', the business is your responsibility. You want the glory, well then, you gotta take the responsibility of it all falling on your shoulders. In VVI case, I'd say VV was the little piggy weaseling all the money & his band members, employees getting nothing. In saying that I'm sure Strum would have been filtering some funds his own way. Also Strum was playing both sides of the equation. Using VV at the time of VVI & in the back ground getting in Mark's ear about creating 'Slaughter'. I don't blame Mark for doing Slaughter, especially if he wasn't getting paid. The Man's got to make money too.

I wasn't saying that Slaughter was a bad band or that Mark Slaughter was bad. I just disagreed with a few things they said about Vinnie. Saying people would leave when he would start his guitar solo, I don't agree with that because I think a lot of people who were into the VVI were there to see Vinnie. I would have been. I don't know much about the business side of the music business, I tend to leave that part alone because I am not good with numbers. But as far as who was who in regards to the band, it was Vinnie, and marketed under his name. Things could have been done differently or the same. Its hard to say how it all could have worked. Maybe if things had been different there could have been more VVI albums. I would have loved that.

exactly.
My old argument was that you can not blame these guys for not sticking around, no money, no writing credits etc. What Slaughter did know about, either by luck or talent (or both) was how to make a simple commercial tune (not that they made too many). Thats what they were after, a total different thing to Vinnie. Obviously Dana can produce as well.
Vinnie could have had a hit too with Ashes to Ashes but for some reason it didn't work out. I don't know what he wanted from VVI 2.5 million sales or a less commercial album that showed of his full range of talents. Hard to know.

doublev2 wrote:exactly.
My old argument was that you can not blame these guys for not sticking around, no money, no writing credits etc. What Slaughter did know about, either by luck or talent (or both) was how to make a simple commercial tune (not that they made too many). Thats what they were after, a total different thing to Vinnie. Obviously Dana can produce as well.
Vinnie could have had a hit too with Ashes to Ashes but for some reason it didn't work out. I don't know what he wanted from VVI 2.5 million sales or a less commercial album that showed of his full range of talents. Hard to know.

It is hard to know. Really at that time I think Vinnie just wanted out of KISS and to do something on his own. Something to forge his own identity with. He might not have been setting out for million dollar record sales, because in a lot of interviews the record sales don't seem to interest him as much as the actual music making process. I think that is great if that is how he felt. Because it really should always be about the music and not so much focus on the sales.

It all comes back to how Vinnie handled/handles his business.

He jerked around Gene & Paul on the contract issue until they finally kicked him to the curb.
He let his manager jerk Robert around so he quit before the first album was released.
He jerked around his bandmates until they couldn't stand being around him.
He jerked around the record company until they couldn't afford him anymore.

If he'd been honest and fair (as fair as the music business is capable of being), none of this stuff would've "happened to him."

The difference is vinnie was allowed to write in kiss and got paid more plus played large halls and arenas. Mark slaughter and Dana didn't have that kind of stuff. A few good things with vvi but nothing prime time like slaughter.

good points... I'm mostly talking about the creative side. even if vinnie hadn't been such a screw-up, mark and dana probably would've went off on their own to be their own boss. just like vinnie wouldn't last in KISS... even though he got to write, he was still a hired hand. nothing wrong with wanting to go do your own thing... vinnie just went about it all wrong.

Yeah. Agree with the last two posts.

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metatron wrote:

gonnarock wrote:It is funny how Dana and Mark forget that the band was not theirs. It was called the 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion', it was Vinnie's band.....

Yer Ok, I'm fine with it being 'Vinnie Vincent's Rising Force'. Cool, it's Vinnie's band. Thing is if you are the 'boss' of a business, a small business like VVI was, then as the 'boss' you get paid last...not first & everyone else misses out. Your employees get paid first. As the 'boss', the business is your responsibility. You want the glory, well then, you gotta take the responsibility of it all falling on your shoulders. In VVI case, I'd say VV was the little piggy weaseling all the money & his band members, employees getting nothing. In saying that I'm sure Strum would have been filtering some funds his own way. Also Strum was playing both sides of the equation. Using VV at the time of VVI & in the back ground getting in Mark's ear about creating 'Slaughter'. I don't blame Mark for doing Slaughter, especially if he wasn't getting paid. The Man's got to make money too.

I wasn't saying that Slaughter was a bad band or that Mark Slaughter was bad. I just disagreed with a few things they said about Vinnie. Saying people would leave when he would start his guitar solo, I don't agree with that because I think a lot of people who were into the VVI were there to see Vinnie. I would have been. I don't know much about the business side of the music business, I tend to leave that part alone because I am not good with numbers. But as far as who was who in regards to the band, it was Vinnie, and marketed under his name. Things could have been done differently or the same. Its hard to say how it all could have worked. Maybe if things had been different there could have been more VVI albums. I would have loved that.

I know one thing, when Mark joined VVI, (this goes for Australia as I don't know about other places), Girls loved Mark Slaughter. He had that whole Jon Bon Jovi thing going. Girls I knew started getting interested in VVI the band...not Vinnie Vincent the great song writer, great musician. Girls were moist for Mark Slaughter. & most girls & a lot of guys (not all, but most) couldn't give two shits about a 20 minute guitar solo. I know heaps of people that hate guitar, bass & drum solos.

metatron wrote:I know heaps of people that hate guitar, bass & drum solos.

Heathens!!!!!

shramiac wrote:

metatron wrote:I know heaps of people that hate guitar, bass & drum solos.

Heathens!!!!!

Man have you ever gone to a Terry Bozzio Clinic. Does your head in.

Roll the hands of time back 25 years and I would have liked to have Dale Bozzio perform a clinic on playing skin flute

Slayer wrote:Roll the hands of time back 25 years and I would have liked to have Dale Bozzio perform a clinic on playing skin flute

I hear bro...I hear you.

C'mon guys!!!!!! Enough with that kinda talk!!!


you meant 25 minutes didn't you Kev!!!????

metatron wrote: I know one thing, when Mark joined VVI, (this goes for Australia as I don't know about other places), Girls loved Mark Slaughter. He had that whole Jon Bon Jovi thing going. Girls I knew started getting interested in VVI the band...not Vinnie Vincent the great song writer, great musician. Girls were moist for Mark Slaughter. & most girls & a lot of guys (not all, but most) couldn't give two shits about a 20 minute guitar solo. I know heaps of people that hate guitar, bass & drum solos.

Mark Slaughter is not a bad looking guy. I just think Vinnie is better looking and I find a guy playing a guitar like he does the hottest thing around. And I would like to sit and watch him play a solo for 20+ minutes. I am also one of those people who will listen to Speedball Jamm more than once too. haha What can I say?
Ps. Also, I can't stand Jon Bon Jovi! I always have been more of a Richie Sambora girl...

Are you talking now or 25 years ago about vinnies looks?

into that point if they never wasnt the smartest guys the success of them was for pure lucky,mm i dont think so,and britney spears maybe can be.
The right words are known for the invasion that was a big help so the first thing who so much people have in their minds was follow where they go because they have the image of the vinnie vincent invasion.
So the first slaughter record was absolutely diferent if you list the record of their previously band so the most amazing was some people have that image of the invasion and when they list slaughter they finish what surprise.
i know somebody whi finish mad with slaughter first record is my father.I like the versatility on the record thats the most exiting

I agree.
I do not think very many people who bought stick it to ya had any idea who vinnie Vincent was.

I believe vinnie Vincent is more known today than he was in 1990 when slaughter came out.

also i agree with you this is a revolution from years vv is kinf of miachael jackson in this days but slaughter have his lol time

reneroxx wrote:also i agree with you this is a revolution from years vv is kinf of miachael jackson in this days but slaughter have his lol time

no wonder Vinnie is so pissy today, they stole his lol time...

Damn it. Poor vinnie

doublev2 wrote:Are you talking now or 25 years ago about vinnies looks?

I am talking about both.

shramiac wrote:C'mon guys!!!!!! Enough with that kinda talk!!!


you meant 25 minutes didn't you Kev!!!????

Andrew,
Uhhhh no. Dale has been rode hard and put away wet. If you look at recent pictures of her when she was arrested for animal abuse you can see that time and life has not been kind to her but in the 1980's she was very bonable.

Buenos Noches

I have no compassion for anyone who neglects or abuses animals...


Missing Persons Frontwoman Dale Bozzio Convicted of Animal Cruelty

Dale Bozzio, frontwoman for the '80s new wave band Missing Persons, has been convicted of animal cruelty for leaving more than a dozen cats without food or water at her rural New Hampshire cabin.

Cops say two cats died and others starved while they were left to fend for themselves with their litter boxes overflowing. Another 12 cats had to be euthanized. Bozzio blamed it on a caretaker who hadn't tended to the animals while she was gone for a week, but a judge ruled that the conditions were in place for quite some time.

Bozzio's lawyer, Dennis O'Connor, tried to blame the incident on the difficult life of a has-been rocker. "An artist like Dale lives in a different world," he told the Boston Phoenix. "The little details of life that some of us, myself included, try to take care of, those end up on the back burner for artists like Dale..."

...But she's now just a weird lady from New Hampshire who hoards cats

​He was later disbarred for talking bullshit beneath the American Bar Association's standards for talking out if your ass.

Bozzio was sentenced to 90 days in May, but she appealed. She's now in jail and will also have to perform community service.

ugh.

I think People like Dale & Vinnie start off 'trying' to do the right thing, but lose the plot along the way. Also I think they have not real understanding of what they are committing to. They have a messiah complex & what to do something to 'save the world' or make 'themselves' feel better, but don't understand that it takes real time, real effort & real money to do so. I mean take Vinnie for example, he couldn't even look after his own flesh & blood, his twin daughters, his wife. He left them to fend for themselves. Reality cheque people. His poor ex-wife had to resort to a life of prostitution to put food on the table to feed her kids,,,,Vinnie's kids, Vinnie's responsibility. But he shun that responsibility. By doing so, he directly put Annemarie's life in danger which ultimately cost her, her life. (http://kissasylum.com/news/vinnieEX.html) Really how good is he going to treat those animals. I rest my case.

Oh & P.S. to all the do gooder muthafucker unrequited love wankers out there. Read the http://kissasylum.com/news/vinnieEX.html & see for yourself how 'nice' & 'good hearted' your bullshit dead beat dad, metal messiah really is.

metatron wrote:Oh & P.S. to all the do gooder muthafucker unrequited love wankers out there. Read the http://kissasylum.com/news/vinnieEX.html & see for yourself how 'nice' & 'good hearted' your bullshit dead beat dad, metal messiah really is.

Metatron, why does it matter so much to people if I like Vinnie? Why is this such a "bad" thing?? I like Vinnie, well and good, you don't and other people here don't. I don't get on here and call you names or anything like that. Most of the time I just over look it. Everyone here is so concerned that no one likes Vinnie and I am starting to think that maybe that is the purpose of this message board. I had this crazy idea initially that this was a place where fans could speak their opinions. But everytime I say that I like Vinnie- My opinion, I get attacked and called names. That isn't very nice.