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apparently, this us fest '83 gig was a near-disaster, but the energy they brought was impressive:

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How do you mean a near disaster? I have never noticed anything wrong with it. Was there some behind the scenes stuff?

The Crüe debuted their new look and songs, Ozzu debuted his new guitarist. Priest rocked. A cool show.

yeah, Tommy said in The Dirt that he went backstage and cried after the US Fest gig because they all thought it sucked so bad... technical problems, shit sound, etc. I thought it kicked ass in a raw punkish kinda way, even though I've never been a big fan of Vince's voice. Plus they looked cool as shit:

It's been so long since I read it I don't remember that part of The Dirt.

The main thing I took from that book is that rock stars can make phone calls from vaginas.

The only questionable thing about the show was how GREEN Vince was. He is always looking over his shoulder , almost asking, "What do I do next ? "

That being said, I LOVE THIS SHOW !!!!

for me mick mars should have been in kiss. he had the attitude. if not vinnie mick would have been my choice.

i love this show, too.

it was shocking to hear later, that maybe band didn't like it. (the story of tommy crying and all)

regardless of any of that, the energy is just so, 'there'.

it seems like maybe there are two videos of this floating around; 1 with all of the vocal problems (vocals dropping in and out), and another with the vocals 'fixed' so they are present 'all the time'.

i'd first heard the version with 'vocals dropping out', and thought it was vince's mic technique; but repeated listenings seemed to indicate a problem with the p.a. then i happened upon another version where the vocals were 'always present' so it seemed like someone had adjusted the recording somehow.

agreed, that mick would have been good in kiss.

Mick " Mars"... his name even works for the Spaceman or Wizard characters. Plus he's very blues-based and raw much like Ace.

according to Enfer magazine,kiss ask him-and Kack starr- to replace V.They both refused.Strum was offered 5000 to find the right replacement, and suggested Kevin Carlson(rhtym guitar on Aldo Nova's band).it didn't work out.

Mick and paul may have been a tough combo.

Yeah.
I think that even chris holmes would have worked.
Kiss would be better with some crazy character than these session type of players they had since vinnie.

Lynch would have been great too if he had been able to have some freedom.

doublev2 wrote:Yeah.
I think that even chris holmes would have worked.

No way would Gene allow a 6'6" guitarist in Kiss. I'm surprised Gene allowed 6'3" Bruce in the band seeing that he was around an inch taller than Gene...

doublev2 wrote:Lynch would have been great too if he had been able to have some freedom.

Lynch is amazing but I don't see him as a good fit for Kiss...then again if he would have been given the freedom like you said I guess I could see it working. I just feel bad for him and the rest of the band he was in in the 80s that they had to deal with a singer whose LSD was /is as bad as Axl Rose's

Funny he was always made out to be the difficult one but if you see them now lynch is real nice and together unlike don.
Lynch and Cusano best two of the 80s in my opinion.

Rhoads, DeMartini, Jabbs and Hannon are my picks of the 80's just quickly. Never got into Lynch or Dokken, never could get into them.

Cusano, Paul Gilbert, Harry K. Cody, John Sykes, Shoyo from EZO... some of my faves

Vinnie, Rhoads, Lynch, Vai, Eddie and Pablo Gilberto for me, with a dash of that Swedish guy! Followed by Marty and Petrucci in the early 90s! And I've been stuck in that rut ever since!

Let's not forget Jason Becker. (Funny, Paul & Gene had a problem with shred guitars upstaging them, where as DLR embraced it, even encouraged it)
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Back to Motley...

I liked Generation Swine. Easily in my top 5 Motley albums...maybe top 3 (the first 2 albums are obviously top 2)

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yeah, the 1st 2 albums... great stuff.

mrblitz wrote:yeah, the 1st 2 albums... great stuff.

Yes, those first two Crue albums just hit a chord with me as a kid... the sound, the image, the vibe... everything. After Shout I could take them or leave them.

PinkWiz wrote:

mrblitz wrote:yeah, the 1st 2 albums... great stuff.

Yes, those first two Crue albums just hit a chord with me as a kid... the sound, the image, the vibe... everything. After Shout I could take them or leave them.

Amen... except for MC 94.

poserboy71 wrote: Amen... except for MC 94.

Yes... how could I fukn forget MC94? That album and Corabi fukn kicked ass! Droppin' Like Flies is badass... and Mars was a beast on that record.

Vince Neil is a great frontman but Corabi is a far better musician/songwriter/singer. If Vince had quit the band/been fired/whatever in '89 who knows what would have happened...Corabi was doomed from the get go...maybe a better way to say it is if that album had been released in '89...

Still for my money..

1. Shout At The Devil
2, Too Fast For Love
3. Generation Swine
4. Saints of Los Angeles
5. Motley Crue (94)...I think it's a great album as well

I love the MC94 album. Power To The Music is one of my favorite songs of all time. Tommy absolutely kills me with his drumming on that song. However, Corabi sounds great on record and writes great tunes but he sounds shitty live and is a terrible front man. If anyone has seen the UNION LIVE DVD, there is a reason that band failed. That band's live show could've put a 13 year old hopped up on speed to sleep by the third song. (Union's first album is also one of my faves.)

Yep, You are correct about Corabi being a not -so-good frontman.
What I find interesting is how many people think Vince is actually a good frontman. He always looks lost and isn't the greatest with in between song banter.

And Vince only sings 75% of the words anymore...

So does DLR...I saw them on their newest tour and DLR completely forgot the last verse of I'll Wait and he completely owned up to it! It was awesome...he said hurry quick to the chorus everyone! I laughed my ass off. One of the reasons to me DLR is probably the greatest frontman of all time. To me a good frontman is someone who commands the stage not someone who knows all the words or can even sing in key which Vince has problems doing at times.

Paul is a good frontman as well but I will say his schtick sometimes detracts from it...because it sounds so forced...not off the cuff...still he commands the stage/has great stage presence

You'd be surprised how much of that stuff isn't off the cuff from DLR.
He is still awesome and the best though !!!!

DLR is still awesome. Paul...not as much.

5minLuvKills wrote:So does DLR...I saw them on their newest tour and DLR completely forgot the last verse of I'll Wait and he completely owned up to it! It was awesome...he said hurry quick to the chorus everyone! I laughed my ass off. One of the reasons to me DLR is probably the greatest frontman of all time. To me a good frontman is someone who commands the stage not someone who knows all the words or can even sing in key which Vince has problems doing at times.

Paul is a good frontman as well but I will say his schtick sometimes detracts from it...because it sounds so forced...not off the cuff...still he commands the stage/has great stage presence

i had tix to see VH in july of thsi year.......im glad it was cancelled...i cannot for the life of me figure out how i'd sit thru 3 hours of dave singing some of the words and being a step behind as well as ad libbing shit that doesnt belong on the song while he's at it.

saw tour vids from this tour and it was the same as when people said they came here in 1984 "well, the music sounded good"

I love DLR's schtick.

AceAlive1 wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:So does DLR...I saw them on their newest tour and DLR completely forgot the last verse of I'll Wait and he completely owned up to it! It was awesome...he said hurry quick to the chorus everyone! I laughed my ass off. One of the reasons to me DLR is probably the greatest frontman of all time. To me a good frontman is someone who commands the stage not someone who knows all the words or can even sing in key which Vince has problems doing at times.

Paul is a good frontman as well but I will say his schtick sometimes detracts from it...because it sounds so forced...not off the cuff...still he commands the stage/has great stage presence

i had tix to see VH in july of thsi year.......im glad it was cancelled...i cannot for the life of me figure out how i'd sit thru 3 hours of dave singing some of the words and being a step behind as well as ad libbing shit that doesnt belong on the song while he's at it.

saw tour vids from this tour and it was the same as when people said they came here in 1984 "well, the music sounded good"

To each his own I guess. For me it personalized the show.Compare a typical Paul Stage rap in where he makes up a ridiculous story that doesn't even make logical sense...
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ummm...Paul that never happened. He was pumping up the crowd (and doing a good job I would've been with him) but the "story" he tells...well all I can say is I'd love to see a movie in where people talk to each other like that because it would be hilarious "Listen up man 'cause these are Crazy, Crazy Nights"?!?!?!...ok whatever Paul
For DLR it is just as planned but you feel he's in the moment with you...or at least I do
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(go to the 7:15 mark for Romeos Delight in particular...this ain't my first time in Louisville, I got a checkered past here that is fuckin AWESOME if you are there, in that arena, who cares about the verse at that point)
does he sing all the words? no but if you don't know all these songs by heart then why are you here? Like Runnin with the Devil are you really wondering what words he was missing...turn to your neighbor they will be singing it at the top of their lungs

erg2 wrote:DLR is still awesome. Paul...not as much.

Yeah I think these two vids give examples as to what you are saying...not saying Paul is bad and he is far from the worst frontman...but he is nowhere near as good as DLR

poserboy71 wrote:You'd be surprised how much of that stuff isn't off the cuff from DLR.
He is still awesome and the best though !!!!

poserboy71 wrote:I love DLR's schtick.

Yeah don't get me wrong I know a lot of it is planned/prepared but it doesn't sound like it is that's what makes DLR awesome

Paul was once great. Just look at the KISSTORY sets. I think DLR took cues from Paul's shtick but added a vaudeville element. DLR hasn't fallen anywhere near as far as Paul.

DLR IS THE GREATEST FRONTMAN EVER !!!!

5minLuvKills wrote:

AceAlive1 wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:So does DLR...I saw them on their newest tour and DLR completely forgot the last verse of I'll Wait and he completely owned up to it! It was awesome...he said hurry quick to the chorus everyone! I laughed my ass off. One of the reasons to me DLR is probably the greatest frontman of all time. To me a good frontman is someone who commands the stage not someone who knows all the words or can even sing in key which Vince has problems doing at times.

Paul is a good frontman as well but I will say his schtick sometimes detracts from it...because it sounds so forced...not off the cuff...still he commands the stage/has great stage presence

i had tix to see VH in july of thsi year.......im glad it was cancelled...i cannot for the life of me figure out how i'd sit thru 3 hours of dave singing some of the words and being a step behind as well as ad libbing shit that doesnt belong on the song while he's at it.

saw tour vids from this tour and it was the same as when people said they came here in 1984 "well, the music sounded good"

To each his own I guess. For me it personalized the show.Compare a typical Paul Stage rap in where he makes up a ridiculous story that doesn't even make logical sense...
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ummm...Paul that never happened. He was pumping up the crowd (and doing a good job I would've been with him) but the "story" he tells...well all I can say is I'd love to see a movie in where people talk to each other like that because it would be hilarious "Listen up man 'cause these are Crazy, Crazy Nights"?!?!?!...ok whatever Paul
For DLR it is just as planned but you feel he's in the moment with you...or at least I do
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(go to the 7:15 mark for Romeos Delight in particular...this ain't my first time in Louisville, I got a checkered past here that is fuckin AWESOME if you are there, in that arena, who cares about the verse at that point)
does he sing all the words? no but if you don't know all these songs by heart then why are you here? Like Runnin with the Devil are you really wondering what words he was missing...turn to your neighbor they will be singing it at the top of their lungs

erg2 wrote:DLR is still awesome. Paul...not as much.

Yeah I think these two vids give examples as to what you are saying...not saying Paul is bad and he is far from the worst frontman...but he is nowhere near as good as DLR

poserboy71 wrote:You'd be surprised how much of that stuff isn't off the cuff from DLR.
He is still awesome and the best though !!!!

poserboy71 wrote:I love DLR's schtick.

Yeah don't get me wrong I know a lot of it is planned/prepared but it doesn't sound like it is that's what makes DLR awesome

i think you misunderstood me.... stage schtick is different from blowing the lines of a song...its like peter being 3 notes behind or stopping drumming altogether which he did quite frequently.


if im singing the song in the crowd and then i notice the singer is singing nothing that i am.....then we have a problem and i want my money back.