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Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:36 pm
by WizKid
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After the great response we received from Part 3 of our Vinnie Vincent special with special guest Robert Fleischman, we decided to round things off with Part 4 this week.

First up is Chris' conversation with Hirsh Gardner. Hirsh is most well-known as the drummer for late 70's band New England. New England's first album was produced by KISS' Paul Stanley and the band opened for KISS on their 1979 Dynasty tour. What many people may not know is that Hirsh was creatively involved with Vinnie Vincent in projects that predate his involvement with KISS as well as the Vinnie Vincent Invasion.

In this discussion, Hirsh recounts his memories of being introduced to Vinnie through Gene Simmons, demo sessions with Vinnie on some songs that wound up later being used by Invasion as well as KISS, his admiration for Vinnie's underrated vocal ability, and his memory of Vinnie telling him that he was offered the lead guitarist slot in KISS.

Hirsh also shares his memories of reconnecting with Vinnie during a KISS tour stop in Boston which sparked another musical collaboration when things went sour between Vincent and Simmons & Stanley. This collaboration came to a sudden halt when Vinnie, according to Hirsh, uprooted the project and jetted back to Los Angeles to form what became known as the Vinnie Vincent Invasion. Hirsh also recounts the legal steps he took in trying to get what he felt he deserved which included having the Invasion's equipment seized before a show in Boston.

Through all of the drama, Hirsh seems to still have good memories of working Vincent on a creative level and his stories were very interesting to us, as fans. You can keep up with Hirsh at is official website of http://www.hirshgardner.com.

Up next is a brief discussion with Tom Silver. Tom was a National Marketing Representative for Chrysalis Records in the 1980's while Vinnie Vincent Invasion was on its roster. In this conversation, Tom remembers his experiences of working with the members of Invasion, albeit limited.

There have been rumors for decades about conflict between the Invasion and Chrysalis Records during this period and no one from the record company has publicly spoken about it. We ask Tom for his take on the theories that Chrysalis was showing favoritism of Mark Slaughter and attempting to squeeze Vinnie out of the band during the promotion for All Systems Go.

Tom also shares his memories of working with Slaughter as they formed from the ashes of the Invasion.

Tom is now a certified hypnotherapist and has appeared on many major network television shows. More information on Tom Silver can be found at http://www.tomsilver.com.

This will, more than likely, be the final installment of the Vinnie Vincent Special. For a full explanation of this decision, please check out the Humanity Wins Out blog post that is available at http://dbgeekshow.blogspot.com/2012/12/ ... lated.html. We hope you've had a shredding good time listening to these specials!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:14 pm
by doublev2
Great. Look forward to this.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:15 pm
by Genebaby
Me three!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:19 pm
by doublev2
Couldnt get it to play

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:11 pm
by doublev2
Got it to play. Great work as always.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:27 pm
by doublev2
Seems like vinnie running off with hirsh's tapes in boston was a defining moment in the fall of vinnie resulting in a chain of bankruptcies. Hirsch shows a great attitude about vv even though he lost a lot of money on vinnie as well as legal fees.
The other what if is if vv had taken that cbs contract with warrior what would have been?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:27 pm
by doublev2
Also with vv growing tired of hirsh after 6 months is a typical story.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:32 pm
by doublev2
Chris you got to keep the vinnie specials going to at least number 10.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:35 pm
by mrblitz
the thing they mentioned about alcatrazz might have actually been malmsteen- then vai, rather than the other way around.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:45 pm
by doublev2
Yeah I think so. Do you think he was talking about kane roberts ?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:49 pm
by doublev2
Funny hirsh says vv didnt credit him for songwriting just like what people say kiss did to him.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:50 am
by wolfgang161272
Question:

At the beginning of the potcast there is a song. It's soooo great. What is it???
Please tell me the band and song name :)))

Thanks,
Wolfi

And the potcast ist very good!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:32 am
by Brainsaw
I think I'm in shock. How does a story that has been shot down by Vinnie, Mark etc since 1988/1989 still "live on"? The whole "we wanted Mark ....girlfriend tape" story was just invented to cover things up. What did you want them to say? Vinnie had heard Mark sing background vocals etc for another band Dana was producing and didn't like his voice and he was pretty much forced to take him when they got the Alice Cooper tour.

Vinnie had great reason to be pissed at Chrysalis. They were screwups. Especially with the debut. They were so caught off guard as to the success of Invasion, they weren't ready to go when the initial shipment sold out in no time. They were caught with their pants down. Then there was a problem at the plant. So for like a month or 6 weeks (at the most important time), kids couldn't find the album/cd on the shelves. And yet, even with all those problems by late November Jeff Alridge is quoted as saying, the album is past 250,000 units and is selling briskly.

Now just think what could have happened with the Invasion album. Had they not screwed up and been caught off guard and then not have the pressing plant problem. Also, had they been able to release more videos! "Back On The Streets" followed by "Do You Wanna Make Love"-- the album could have been well past platinum. But they are stuck with one video/single from such a great strong album.


They were a little smarter on ASG and the initial shipment was 250,000 units but those went immediately and re-orders were pouring in.

One other point by mid 88 there were 10/11 people from Chrysalis getting the publicity reports from New Image, Tim wasn't even one of them. Shows where the labels head is at.

Speaking of publicity and things--it was so ridiculous everything would try and be scrutinized. From what "ages" they were going to use to even things such as who do you admire in the music world. There would be people complaining that Vinnie shouldn't mention Michael Jackson or Prince being so wonderful and things like that. They were afraid kids in middle America wouldn't like it. Really it was as bad as a political campaign. What lies--what spin will be thrown out there so after a while--you're twisted (pun intended).


$10K story on PHONE CALLS: I doubt that would have happened anyways because one certain member (not Vinnie) had a way of getting free long distance. It wasn't exactly legal but.. But then he's the same one who actually did charge a lot to the record label. Also the same person who would grab any and every receipt which was lying around.


I also think its funny that Hirsch thinks if you throw a few lines in here or there--you co-wrote a song.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:42 am
by doublev2
Eyes wide open.

Brainsaw how can everyone be wrong and vv always right?

They didnt make videos for bots because roberts voice was on it.
250k for asg? I dont think you are correct or official figures are wrong.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:35 am
by doublev2
Brainsaw how do you know bots was going to be second single and all those fine details including dans telephone usage?
Remember the screw up was with robert. How could they put out videos with roberts voice? The label were pissed that they were told robert was signed and wasnt. Also what label prints more than 100k records of an untested band that they can not make videos for? Especially and independent label.
The fuck up was not signing robert not the label.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:18 am
by doublev2
By the way I think its way cool you are on the board.

Can I ask you brainsaw

1. How can vv and fans here repair relationship

2. List of people who will say great things about vinnie other than music.

I am sure chris would consider speaking with positive friends of vv. We all know jack but anyone else?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:36 am
by doublev2
I did always wonder why ashes wasnt first single from asg. Brainsaw do you know why?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:25 am
by mrblitz
wolfgang161272 wrote:Question:

At the beginning of the potcast there is a song. It's soooo great. What is it???
Please tell me the band and song name :)))

Thanks,
Wolfi

And the potcast ist very good!
are you talking about the song from new england? was it, 'i'm never gonna leave you?'

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:50 am
by metatron
is this it. Haven't listened to the Podcast yet.
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Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:01 pm
by mrblitz
yeah, that's it. but if memory serves, it's actually the 2nd song from the podcast; the 1st song was some 'modern metal' that i don't know anything about.

but when this one - don't ever wanna lose ya - came on, i had a kind of flashback.... 'whoah that's new england!'

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:08 pm
by WizKid
The opening song to the show is 'Bleed & Scream' by and band called Eclipse. Bleed & Scream is also the title of the album; one of my favorites from 2012. The whole album is great!

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Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:17 pm
by 1031
Brainsaw unless you were there you are doing nothing but regurgitating things you have read. The people on these interviews were there, while I am sure there is some revisionist history or selective memory but every single person remembered things from their point of view. And still going to be closer to the truth than what you read. Unless you were actually there.

And all these interviews say the same basic thing each and every person "Vinnie is very talented on all levels but is a terrible business person and pretty much takes what he wants with out thought.

So if you were actually there and would like to expound on some new truth ..... if not well .. your just another VB

And for the record YES IF YOU WRITE LINES IN A SONG OR CHANGE WORDS AROUND AND ITS PUBLISHED YOU GET THE CREDIT!!! Ask every producer that has every worked with a artist with credit... or just look at any record you have then look at the producer then check the writing credits somewhere he will be on a track.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:03 pm
by shramiac
Brainsaw wrote:
I also think its funny that Hirsch thinks if you throw a few lines in here or there--you co-wrote a song.

Worked for Ozzy all these years!



Hail Bob Daisley! The TRUE songwriter for The Blizzard of Oz! Oh and that cute little blond guy too! :wink: :wink: :wink:


Sorry, just being a smartass!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:29 pm
by poserboy71
shramiac wrote: Hail Bob Daisley! The TRUE songwriter for The Blizzard of Oz! Oh and that cute little blond guy too! :wink: :wink: :wink:
AMEN !!!!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:19 am
by n3p
Just listened, great work as always and made a boring day in the office a lot more interesting!

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:27 am
by 1031
Another great job guys... you guys are really getting very good at a laid back interview style that gets them talking. You can tell they feel comfortable during the interview. I feel good things are heading your way.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:52 am
by metatron
1031 wrote:Brainsaw unless you were there you are doing nothing but regurgitating things you have read. The people on these interviews were there, while I am sure there is some revisionist history or selective memory but every single person remembered things from their point of view. And still going to be closer to the truth than what you read. Unless you were actually there.
Agreed, but it seems a lot of these people have either a bad memory or are embellishing the truth or trying to make a story seem 'more' interesting.
No offense to Hirsh Gardner, but he couldn't even remember the names of the songs that he played/(helped write?). You'd think b4 the interview they'd take a little trip down memory lane & make some notes.
It's just hard to believe anyone one when they are uming and aring at significant events.


Another blatant example of this was Adam Mitchell;

http://www.vvforums.com/viewtopic.php?f ... ell#p61846
metatron wrote:
Slayer wrote:Absolutely terrific interview Chris. Adam was so candid an it was very interesting that he didn't remember Vinnie playing anything on Creatures of the Night. It was also interesting that he seemed confused and didn't seem to remember that Mark St. John replaced Vinnie rather than Vinnie replaced Mark. I thought that you were gracious to not correct him.

Great job again Chris!

Kev
Ditto Kev. I was thinking the same thing which makes me think. & yer I know VV is a bad guy, but give him credit were it is due. Right know VV is the kid who cried Wolf. He can do not right (fair enough, he did this to himself), but I take everything with a grain of salt. In the music industry, everyone wants to be the guy that did this or that. Everyone wants to be a hero. & Gene & Paul being humble, please......
Great Great stuff Chris. You truly deliver the goods & you do it with class & as a gentleman.
It really annoys me, when they people don't do their homework & then Chris & Aaron basically have to toe the lie & be polite to their 'guests' (cause what else can they do....I have noticed Chris & Aaron 'jigging' their guests memories here & there which does help so kind of response.)
I know both Chris & Aaron put their hearts into these podcast & it would be nice if the guest would actually do some homework & get key points correct. I know everyone is always going to tell you their version of what happened & that's not my gripe. What I'm saying is these people don't remember key events
.

As always Chris & Aaron, brilliant! Class act.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:56 am
by mrblitz
one of the things that stuck in my mind was that record company cat saying that vinnie would do these 45-minute guitar solos. is that true?

the only evidence i have is that toronto gig on youtube, but the solo there is something like 5 minutes.

45-minute speedball jams in the middle of the show? really?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:11 pm
by Brainsaw
mrblitz wrote:one of the things that stuck in my mind was that record company cat saying that vinnie would do these 45-minute guitar solos. is that true?

the only evidence i have is that toronto gig on youtube, but the solo there is something like 5 minutes.

45-minute speedball jams in the middle of the show? really?

That's one of the problems I had with him. Pretty much ALL of his knowledge of Vinnie was 2nd hand from Mark and Dana. Most likely, when they were telling the 45 minute story they were exaggerating big time.

When they were opening for Alice and Iron Maiden they were doing around 45-50 minutes usually. They got alot of great reviews.

Then for ASG they were maybe doing 75 minutes.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:14 pm
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote:I did always wonder why ashes wasnt first single from asg. Brainsaw do you know why?
It was released to radio first. Technically it was the "first single".

Somewhere there's a quote from Chrysalis about why it was released that way and then the video much longer after the cds release.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:15 pm
by Brainsaw
Ok, point one I said: had they been able to release more videos!

I'm very well aware of the situation with Robert. That was a label screw up as well as a Sewitt lie. But the label should have asked to see the contract with Robert's name on it.

The label shouldn't have been caught off guard, because of all the per-publicity, the inquires pouring in etc. This wasn't really a "brand new band".

No Substitute was released to radio as a single in January (I think).

They should have done a video for BOTS. Just removed Roberts vocals. Had Vinnie sing it all or add Mark in for Robert. It wouldn't have been hard. Or they could have had a video with Vinnie singing his parts and not showed anyone (but streets scenes etc) when Robert was singing. And they could have easily gone in on any other song and had Mark cut the vocals and released it to radio and as the video. On the video just call it "Do You Wanna Make Love" (Radio Edit).

They didn't even shoot the video for "That Time Of Year" until June 26.

Then of course, that video was barely airing before "Love Kills" had to be released because "Nightmare On Elm Street IV" was coming out. So once again--one Chrysalis screw up after another.

And who ends up paying for all those marketing screw-ups etc? VVI

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:28 pm
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote: 250k for asg? I dont think you are correct or official figures are wrong.
Why is that? That was just the initial sales. It was up to 375K by the first week of July (1988).

Most likely, the album could be certified gold right now.

Its done over 25,000 (since mid 91 Soundscan).

Also, those figures don't include record club sales etc.

When it would have happened, I don't know. But if you're up to 375,000 by July 1988 (before either video was released).

So did it happen in 1988 or soon after the time "Stick It To Ya" came out (and new Slaughter fans went back and purchased old product), who knows? But by the time Soundscan came on board, "Stick It To Ya" was already certified for 2 X Platinum.

But since it probably happened close to the Invasion disbanding or later on, Chrysalis would have had no reason to get it done. But I would say with 95% certainty, ASG moved enough to be certified Gold.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:02 pm
by doublev2
well then if it sold 250k that quickly and NO KIDS knew about it or were talking about it then I would say its a genius record. If the videos got played on MTV I would agree it was platinum.
I was the biggest VV fan I knew and I was living between two cities back then and I can tell you no high school kids I knew or rock/metal fans and guitar players I knew and that was a lot (all in the states) knew VV had a record out. They all remembered boyz are gonna rock and the 'look' but no one followed the second album.. also no one knew Mark Slaughter. Mark was still pretty unknown when Slaughter came out. So like I say the sales were amazing for this. I just feel that its not true at all.

ASG got no air play at all - not even on rock/metal stations.
The tour was almost impossible to find out about apart from the occasional national listing and the headbangers ball.
The tour was low attended and cheap ticket prices.
The album had some magazine ads and some articles but it really was minimal.
No mtv stuff other than the ball and that freddy thing but ASG was basically forgotten on MTV (until Slaughter got big and then they played it very little on the ball but not outside of the ball).
Virtually no publicity in record stores either.
Fan club cashed my cheques twice and never gave me jack shit either.

I would say to have that many sales completely under the radar is actually amazing so I will take back what I said about ASG. It could have gone easily Platinum with some radio/mtv play.

And of course it should have been a platinum album.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:52 am
by Slayer
Great job again to "CC" and Aaron. I enjoyed the show and I would have to say that I thought that Hirsh was the more interesting of the 2 guys to listen to. The years dull our memories and some of the details like Yngwie replacing Vai in Alcatrazz (Backwards) but he was close to the man to the point of having his day in court with Mr. Cusano. He is a gentleman certainly credible and qualified to voice his own personal opinion on the man and the subject at hand!

Make sure that you feel supported and encouraged to do episode 5 and 6 or whatever is necessary not from the publicizing standpoint of giving a guy who no longer has a career an audience but from the standpoint of us here following through with this story until it's true conclusion. As sad and tragic as it really is I think that it would really make a great story and movie but the unfortunate thing is that it is all true. I quote Chaim Witz "Vinnie is a guy who would spit in your face just as you were handing him the keys to heaven".

See this through to the end Chris! Make sure that we finish the job in the journalistic fairness that both you and Aaron have demonstrated.

Kev

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:11 am
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote:well then if it sold 250k that quickly and NO KIDS knew about it or were talking about it then I would say its a genius record. If the videos got played on MTV I would agree it was platinum.
I was the biggest VV fan I knew and I was living between two cities back then and I can tell you no high school kids I knew or rock/metal fans and guitar players I knew and that was a lot (all in the states) knew VV had a record out. They all remembered boyz are gonna rock and the 'look' but no one followed the second album.. also no one knew Mark Slaughter. Mark was still pretty unknown when Slaughter came out. So like I say the sales were amazing for this. I just feel that its not true at all.

ASG got no air play at all - not even on rock/metal stations.
The tour was almost impossible to find out about apart from the occasional national listing and the headbangers ball.
The tour was low attended and cheap ticket prices.
The album had some magazine ads and some articles but it really was minimal.
No mtv stuff other than the ball and that freddy thing but ASG was basically forgotten on MTV (until Slaughter got big and then they played it very little on the ball but not outside of the ball).
Virtually no publicity in record stores either.
Fan club cashed my cheques twice and never gave me jack shit either.

I would say to have that many sales completely under the radar is actually amazing so I will take back what I said about ASG. It could have gone easily Platinum with some radio/mtv play.

And of course it should have been a platinum album.

doublev2 wrote:well then if it sold 250k that quickly and NO KIDS knew about it or were talking about it then I would say its a genius record.

ASG got no air play at all - not even on rock/metal stations.
The tour was almost impossible to find out about apart from the occasional national listing and the headbangers ball.
The tour was low attended and cheap ticket prices.
The album had some magazine ads and some articles but it really was minimal.
No mtv stuff other than the ball and that freddy thing but ASG was basically forgotten on MTV (until Slaughter got big and then they played it very little on the ball but not outside of the ball).
Virtually no publicity in record stores either.
Fan club cashed my cheques twice and never gave me jack shit either.

You have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. The only thing you are right about is the tour. They still should have been an opening act. That's it. The rest is pure b.s. You must not have purchased any magazines, listened to radio, watched MTV or anything else.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:21 am
by doublev2
Yes I did. I was only interested in vvi at the time and virtualy no mtv play.. no radio and yes some magazine stuff but not lots.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:29 am
by doublev2
I watched the ball every week only to see vvi stuff and hope to see videos. I believe that time of year had two plays max while vvi were together including the ball vv hosted and love kills one plus the freedy show.
Unless I mist it but I dont believe I did vvi asg stuff had no mtv plays outside ball and freddy special.
Z rock never played vvi and pretty much I was promting it around my friends who were real rock metal fans and they had no idea asg had come out. I also asure you no one knew mark because of vvi apart from very very few.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:45 am
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote:Yes I did. I was only interested in vvi at the time and virtualy no mtv play.. no radio and yes some magazine stuff but not lots.

Maybe in your world that's reality, but in the real world--its nothing of the case.

The fan club had huge membership and they sent out huge membership packages each year, newsletters, promotions for the album--you name it.

The album had already sold 375,000 to 400K+ before the first video even aired.

They did get radio play with "Ashes To Ashes" the first single.

There was a huge retail campaign.

Huge coverage in the magazines (from features, reviews, etc to ads).

And the part about "no one knowing Mark" is also hilarious.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:52 am
by doublev2
Sorry but retail merchandise was non existant outside of asg tour. Maybe in la people knew mark but I knew nobody thst knew who he was or even who the vvi singer was. I played in a lot of bands.. did battle of the bands most weekends and I used to promote asg and no one knew it.

This is my experience and I had my bedroom wall and school locker covered in only vvi stuff. This is all I looked for. I used to go to pawn shops with my dad looking for weird magazines with anything about vinnie.

If someone has a different experience let me know but I do not believe one bit the album sold that much before that time of year was relessed on video.
I never once heard ashes on the radio and I never had z rock turned off.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:54 am
by doublev2
The fan club never delivered for me.
Can you tell me where you could buy asg merchandise? You couldnt even find it essily mail order .

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:01 am
by doublev2
Look back in the classifieds of metal magazines from summer 88 . You will find t shirts from most metal bands but not vvi stuff. The only thing you could in those ads was the reh video and that cassette interview from the guitar world guy .

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:14 am
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote: If someone has a different experience let me know but I do not believe one bit the album sold that much before that time of year was relessed on video.
I never once heard ashes on the radio and I never had z rock turned off.

Well, obviously you didn't get Creem, Metal, Faces, Circus, Kerrang, you name it because they all had large features leading up to the release of the album.

Most had either 1/2 page and then full page ads for the album as well.

Mark was certainly a focal point in the magazines. There was even a directive to push Mark as the focal point of Invasion. He was hugely popular. One of the reasons, Slaughter sold so quickly out of the gate--because of the enormous fan base that was already there for them.



and here along is the huge just "welcome package" you got from VV fan club in 1988

Image

and that doesn't include the newsletters, promotions etc...

The initial welcome kit was pink and was as big or even bigger....

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:18 am
by doublev2
Yesh one or two in each magazine regarding articles and yes full page ads on back page.
Foeign magazines were more for sure . But mtv.. radio and merchandise .. NO

But I am saying the kids didnt know mark or asg was out even with the ads and no one ever heard or saw the singles videos.

More play on mtv headbangers ball only after slaughter sucsess in 1990.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:21 am
by doublev2
Brainsaw where did you grow up? What radio did you hear ashes on? When did you see vvi on mtv in 88? And where did you see the huge merchandising and kids going crazy over album in huge nimbers?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:27 am
by Brainsaw




Funny how May 23 1988 issue of HITs... in the BREAKOUTS (Hot new or re surging albums as reported by the nations leading record merchandisers).

Winner
1 Prince 65%
2 Tracy Cjapman 35%
3 Bruce Hornsby
4 Vinnie Vincent (Chrysalis OV41626) 29%
5 RUN DMC 26%
6 Queesryche 24%
7 Hall & Oats 22%
8 Al B. Sure 22%
9 POISON 20%
10 Joe Jackson 19%


There's VVI beating all those others acts at retail and yet (in your world) nobody knows about ASG.



CONCRETE MARKETING 6-20-ii (page 5)
VINNIE VINCENT INVASION - All Systems Go
Vinnie used to play with that famous 1970's band who wore makeup, but has moved on to form his own Invasion. At 64 in Billboard, 14 in the Concrete scan, 69 in Album Network sales and 9 in Hard Metal chart. The title track "Ashes To Ashes" is 78 in AN Power Cuts, 75 in FMOB Hot Trax and 77 in the Hard 100. The next track coming is "That Time Of Year". The big production makes this a guitar players favorite overdub of the year.



Also in CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS June 6, 1988 page 19
They initially shipiped 250,000 copies of All Systems Go and have had to ship another 50,000 copies out after just the first week!

Then it goes into Vinnie bitching that the cd has the "radio version" of Ashes To Ashes on it instead of the intended one with the 1 1/2 minute solo.



And from the Ottawa Citizen newspaper July 15,198 (promoting their concert)
-- Vincent may finally have the KISS licks out of his system with this years release "All Systems Go", which has quickly sold almost 400,000 copies in two months in the US.




Now until you can come up with anything to refute REALITY---

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:30 am
by doublev2
I ess there and no radio.. no mtv and no shirts

I also dont believe that magazine. I really dont.

Where were you in may 88?

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:33 am
by doublev2
Sorry all that is bullshit. Bull honkey. 400k in 2 months. No way. So as soon as videos came out no more sales?

Its called music industry spin.. its bullshit.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:39 am
by doublev2
By those bullshit stats asg sold way more than than first vvi album and way faster than creatures and even lick it up. Vv should have been headlining arenas if they sold 400k in two months with no videos even relessed.. give me a break.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:42 am
by doublev2
Even if those radio stats are correct those numbers would not give 200k sales a month. Then after two months nothing at all.

Re: Vinnie Vincent Special Part 4 - Decibel Geek Podcast

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:51 am
by Brainsaw
doublev2 wrote:I ess there and no radio.. no mtv and no shirts

I also dont believe that magazine. I really dont.

Radio is listed above (Or below for all to see)

You can choose to believe whatever on magazines. There were a ton of them. And Mark was a huge focus. I could care less about the false claims you make. Reality is right there. Sales coming straight from the label and publicists and you don't believe that.

I have stacks and stacks of magazines with the interviews etc. But no, they don't exist! LOL

And now your lame attempt is complain about tour merchandise because all your other claims have been shot down. From what I remember, they kept bickering over the advance payments etc for the merchandise deals. Vinnie was wanting like $100,000 and they weren't wanting to pay that much.


Who said there weren't any sales after that? Who?! Vinnie had already been ripping the Chrysalis in the press saying he wanted to put it out with a new cover and add back in the guitars they took out etc. The Invasion was over by the end of August. Do you expect Chrysalis to keep putting out the sales figures or submit ASG for gold certification when they are parting ways with him?


You're hopeless. You weren't around. You don't have access to any of the information. Obviously your memory stinks as well. So.... Case closed. Keep wailing in the air!


AND AGAIN FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST READ PAGE 2. My goodness. VVI ASG ahead of Poison etc at retail... and still---no its not selling! OH MY GOODNESS!!!

This is what you get from people who have no information themselves and probably rely on Wikipedia! ha ha


Funny how May 23 1988 issue of HITs... in the BREAKOUTS (Hot new or re surging albums as reported by the nations leading record merchandisers).

Winner 1 Prince 65%
2 Tracy Cjapman 35%
3 Bruce Hornsby
4 Vinnie Vincent (Chrysalis OV41626) 29%
5 RUN DMC 26%
6 Queesryche 24%
7 Hall & Oats 22%
8 Al B. Sure 22%
9 POISON 20%
10 Joe Jackson 19%


There's VVI beating all those others acts at retail and yet (in your world) nobody knows about ASG.



CONCRETE MARKETING 6-20-ii (page 5)
VINNIE VINCENT INVASION - All Systems Go
Vinnie used to play with that famous 1970's band who wore makeup, but has moved on to form his own Invasion. At 64 in Billboard, 14 in the Concrete scan, 69 in Album Network sales and 9 in Hard Metal chart. The title track "Ashes To Ashes" is 78 in AN Power Cuts, 75 in FMOB Hot Trax and 77 in the Hard 100. The next track coming is "That Time Of Year". The big production makes this a guitar players favorite overdub of the year.



Also in CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS June 6, 1988 page 19
They initially shipiped 250,000 copies of All Systems Go and have had to ship another 50,000 copies out after just the first week!

Then it goes into Vinnie bitching that the cd has the "radio version" of Ashes To Ashes on it instead of the intended one with the 1 1/2 minute solo.



And from the Ottawa Citizen newspaper July 15,198 (promoting their concert)
-- Vincent may finally have the KISS licks out of his system with this years release "All Systems Go", which has quickly sold almost 400,000 copies in two months in the US.