Now remember all the false claims about not much lead up or coverage of ASG coming out .
Well lets look at reality --the stories that were hitting in the months before ASG was out:

Then of course the ad push Teaser ads in RIP, Guitar World and Hit Parader (April 1988)
Full page color ads after that in Kerrang, Circus, Metal, Creem, Metal Edge and Faces

I guess none of these magazines etc were carried in Houston or at Pawn Shops =))
Reality-its a wonderful thing!


National Rock Mags
Creem Close Up March 1988 very upbeat and informational 4 pages
Rock Hunks (Rock Scene) Special #4 Mark pictorial, on the light side 6 pages
Circus January 1988 "front page news item" Vinnie
Rock Feb 1988 Update on Invasion
Hit Parader Feb 1988 Interview with Vinnie, new news 2 pages
50 Metal Pix March 1988 Fast Facts
Metal Edge Feb 1988 Vinnie-quote about women
Hot Metal Dec 1987 5 pages (they printed old pictures)
Blast Dec 1987 informative, respectable 4 pages
Concert Shots March 1988 really silly, but teenish 9 pages & cover


Regional Press
LA Times Calendar 11/29/1987 news item about new lp
City Edition (NY) 11/30/ 1987 interview with Vinnie
Music Connection 11/30/ 1987 news items that are funny/wrong


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Metal Edge May 88 4 pages behind the scenes: album cover/photo session
Rock Scene April 88 6 pages deals with the past, present, future
Rock Scene April 88 1/3 page phenomenal album review
Creem Metal April 88 1/2 page AIDS article
Metal Edge April 1988 1/3 page Update on All Systems Go
Rock March 1988 1 page past, present
Blast Jan 1988 4 pages past, present
Circus March 1988 album review
Circus March 1988 1/4 part of the guitar hero section

Burnn Japan March 1988 All Systems Go update (1 page)
Kerrang UK Feb 1988 3/4 page pre-article (feature next month)

Table Hopping Syracuse NY Jan 88
Rock City New Hollywood CA Dec 1987

TRADES
Hard Report 12-04-1987
Hard Report 12-11-1987

Franzines
Rock Spotlight N CA Jan 88
Hard N Fast Philadelphia PA Feb 88


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R&R Trade 4-88 photo with caption
Album Network trade 4-88 photo with caption
HITS trade 5-88 chart position
Billboard trade 5-88 paragraph in "inside track"
Billboard trade 5-88 Bone's Invasion Strategy
Hard Force France rock 5-88 3 page feature
Burrn Japan Rock 6-88 1 page feature
Metal Edge Metal 9-88 cover / 3 page feature on Mark
Metal Edge Metal 8-88 cover / 5 page feature / baby pix
Rock Scene Metal 8-88 shows Invasion X-Mas Card
Rock Metal 7-88 2 page feature
Hit Parader's Hot Shots Metal 7-88 photos on 3 pages
Circus Metal 6-88 1/8 page in tour highlights
Rockbeat Metal 6-88 1 page color of the band
Rip metal 6-88 1/4 page photo at NAMM
Hit Parader''s Photo Album metal 5-88 1 page color Vinnie
Empire Soundcheck fanzine 4-88 1 page feature
Kiss Rocks KISSzine 3-88 cover/ 4 page feature
Kiss Asylum KISSzine 2-88 1/4 page update



Album Reviews Capsule of Review
Billboard trade 5-88 a glowing review!
Kerrang UK Metal 5-88 KKKKK: The highest score!
RIP Metal Fantastic
Hard N Fast Fanzine Incredible!
Faces metal 6-88 well, it's "alright"


Press releases
a) ROck N Roll Army Invades Los Angeles Media Corridors w/ 1 photo

b) Vinnie Vincent Invasion Hot Out Of The Box

c) Vinnie Vincent and Vicki Peterson Team Up For Bangles LP w/ 1 photo

d) Invasion Celebrates Album Release With Friends w/ 3 photos




WOOPS!! BIG TIME WOOPS!!

That doesn't include anything from the late July Report. Those aren't broken down at the front...but its damn thick... over 150 pages. And since its not broken down, I'm sure as hell not going to bother.

The point is.... any kid with any clue would have known the cd was out. Invasion was everywhere. That's already been proven without listing all the ones from May-July.

Yes. But radio and mtv play was non existant and mervhandise. Plus virtual no one knew about it.
I didnt say no press just no play on radio and 2 or 3 plays total of videos on mtv on specialist shows.

Also show me ashes to ashes single please?

The proof of success is in the fact it didnt get played how ever much press and even with articles 99% of the kids didnt know about it or ever hear a tune from it.

Also chrysalis pay a publicist lots of money to get in those magazines.
Its bought in a lot of ways.

Even if it sold 2 million copies a day it doesnt change it wasnt played on radio or mtv and that it was obscure to the kids.
I am not arguing about magazine coverage even though it was still low in comparison to most acts. I also still tell you mark slaughter was barely known. Maybe 1 in 300 rock fand will have known his name until slaughter came out.
I used to tell people when up all night was a hit that he used to play with vinnie and no one knew anything about it.

Brainsaw wrote:Now remember all the false claims about not much lead up or coverage of ASG coming out .
Well lets look at reality --the stories that were hitting in the months before ASG was out:

Then of course the ad push Teaser ads in RIP, Guitar World and Hit Parader (April 1988)
Full page color ads after that in Kerrang, Circus, Metal, Creem, Metal Edge and Faces

I guess none of these magazines etc were carried in Houston or at Pawn Shops =))
Reality-its a wonderful thing!


National Rock Mags
Creem Close Up March 1988 very upbeat and informational 4 pages
Rock Hunks (Rock Scene) Special #4 Mark pictorial, on the light side 6 pages
Circus January 1988 "front page news item" Vinnie
Rock Feb 1988 Update on Invasion
Hit Parader Feb 1988 Interview with Vinnie, new news 2 pages
50 Metal Pix March 1988 Fast Facts
Metal Edge Feb 1988 Vinnie-quote about women
Hot Metal Dec 1987 5 pages (they printed old pictures)
Blast Dec 1987 informative, respectable 4 pages
Concert Shots March 1988 really silly, but teenish 9 pages & cover


Regional Press
LA Times Calendar 11/29/1987 news item about new lp
City Edition (NY) 11/30/ 1987 interview with Vinnie
Music Connection 11/30/ 1987 news items that are funny/wrong


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Metal Edge May 88 4 pages behind the scenes: album cover/photo session
Rock Scene April 88 6 pages deals with the past, present, future
Rock Scene April 88 1/3 page phenomenal album review
Creem Metal April 88 1/2 page AIDS article
Metal Edge April 1988 1/3 page Update on All Systems Go
Rock March 1988 1 page past, present
Blast Jan 1988 4 pages past, present
Circus March 1988 album review
Circus March 1988 1/4 part of the guitar hero section

Burnn Japan March 1988 All Systems Go update (1 page)
Kerrang UK Feb 1988 3/4 page pre-article (feature next month)

Table Hopping Syracuse NY Jan 88
Rock City New Hollywood CA Dec 1987

TRADES
Hard Report 12-04-1987
Hard Report 12-11-1987

Franzines
Rock Spotlight N CA Jan 88
Hard N Fast Philadelphia PA Feb 88


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R&R Trade 4-88 photo with caption
Album Network trade 4-88 photo with caption
HITS trade 5-88 chart position
Billboard trade 5-88 paragraph in "inside track"
Billboard trade 5-88 Bone's Invasion Strategy
Hard Force France rock 5-88 3 page feature
Burrn Japan Rock 6-88 1 page feature
Metal Edge Metal 9-88 cover / 3 page feature on Mark
Metal Edge Metal 8-88 cover / 5 page feature / baby pix
Rock Scene Metal 8-88 shows Invasion X-Mas Card
Rock Metal 7-88 2 page feature
Hit Parader's Hot Shots Metal 7-88 photos on 3 pages
Circus Metal 6-88 1/8 page in tour highlights
Rockbeat Metal 6-88 1 page color of the band
Rip metal 6-88 1/4 page photo at NAMM
Hit Parader''s Photo Album metal 5-88 1 page color Vinnie
Empire Soundcheck fanzine 4-88 1 page feature
Kiss Rocks KISSzine 3-88 cover/ 4 page feature
Kiss Asylum KISSzine 2-88 1/4 page update



Album Reviews Capsule of Review
Billboard trade 5-88 a glowing review!
Kerrang UK Metal 5-88 KKKKK: The highest score!
RIP Metal Fantastic
Hard N Fast Fanzine Incredible!
Faces metal 6-88 well, it's "alright"


Press releases
a) ROck N Roll Army Invades Los Angeles Media Corridors w/ 1 photo

b) Vinnie Vincent Invasion Hot Out Of The Box

c) Vinnie Vincent and Vicki Peterson Team Up For Bangles LP w/ 1 photo

d) Invasion Celebrates Album Release With Friends w/ 3 photos




WOOPS!! BIG TIME WOOPS!!

That doesn't include anything from the late July Report. Those aren't broken down at the front...but its damn thick... over 150 pages. And since its not broken down, I'm sure as hell not going to bother.

The point is.... any kid with any clue would have known the cd was out. Invasion was everywhere. That's already been proven without listing all the ones from May-July.

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also, at the end of the day... I don't care what the majority says... SLAUGHTER SUCKS!!

Were you "up all night" thinking that one up PW?


Bsaw, please post that stuff up in the media section! Us non US guys and gals would love to see all the stuff we had such limited access to back in the day.

Brainsaw are you skeeter in wyoming mi? Your upload is linked to it. All your info is coming direct from skeeter website.

Most of this stuff is coming from skeeter website.

shramiac wrote: Bsaw, please post that stuff up in the media section! Us non US guys and gals would love to see all the stuff we had such limited access to back in the day.

Sorry, but no way =). I get bored scanning the stuff and I'm not going to screw it all up by some of it being folded over when scanning.

You could take pics with you phone? That wouldn't wreck anything. Reduced quality sure but would still be cool! C'mon it could be my Christmas pressie!

Brainsaw is delusional and trying to re write history. You keep vinnie hours so I hope to god you are not him with this total crazy talk.

doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw is delusional and trying to re write history. You keep vinnie hours so I hope to god you are not him with this total crazy talk.

PinkWiz wrote:

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Great band...only slightly more popular than VVI of course

As for the magazines...I won't debate you on that, BS I can believe there was a big push right before the album (ASG) came out because I remeber reading stuff about them before the album came out...my issue has mainly been what doublev2 has mentioned

Brainsaw wrote:Now remember all the false claims about not much lead up or coverage of ASG coming out .
Well lets look at reality --the stories that were hitting in the months before ASG was out:

Then of course the ad push Teaser ads in RIP, Guitar World and Hit Parader (April 1988)
Full page color ads after that in Kerrang, Circus, Metal, Creem, Metal Edge and Faces

I guess none of these magazines etc were carried in Houston or at Pawn Shops =))
Reality-its a wonderful thing!


National Rock Mags
Creem Close Up March 1988 very upbeat and informational 4 pages
Rock Hunks (Rock Scene) Special #4 Mark pictorial, on the light side 6 pages
Circus January 1988 "front page news item" Vinnie
Rock Feb 1988 Update on Invasion
Hit Parader Feb 1988 Interview with Vinnie, new news 2 pages
50 Metal Pix March 1988 Fast Facts
Metal Edge Feb 1988 Vinnie-quote about women
Hot Metal Dec 1987 5 pages (they printed old pictures)
Blast Dec 1987 informative, respectable 4 pages
Concert Shots March 1988 really silly, but teenish 9 pages & cover


Regional Press
LA Times Calendar 11/29/1987 news item about new lp
City Edition (NY) 11/30/ 1987 interview with Vinnie
Music Connection 11/30/ 1987 news items that are funny/wrong


-------

Metal Edge May 88 4 pages behind the scenes: album cover/photo session
Rock Scene April 88 6 pages deals with the past, present, future
Rock Scene April 88 1/3 page phenomenal album review
Creem Metal April 88 1/2 page AIDS article
Metal Edge April 1988 1/3 page Update on All Systems Go
Rock March 1988 1 page past, present
Blast Jan 1988 4 pages past, present
Circus March 1988 album review
Circus March 1988 1/4 part of the guitar hero section

Burnn Japan March 1988 All Systems Go update (1 page)
Kerrang UK Feb 1988 3/4 page pre-article (feature next month)

Table Hopping Syracuse NY Jan 88
Rock City New Hollywood CA Dec 1987

TRADES
Hard Report 12-04-1987
Hard Report 12-11-1987

Franzines
Rock Spotlight N CA Jan 88
Hard N Fast Philadelphia PA Feb 88


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R&R Trade 4-88 photo with caption
Album Network trade 4-88 photo with caption
HITS trade 5-88 chart position
Billboard trade 5-88 paragraph in "inside track"
Billboard trade 5-88 Bone's Invasion Strategy
Hard Force France rock 5-88 3 page feature
Burrn Japan Rock 6-88 1 page feature
Metal Edge Metal 9-88 cover / 3 page feature on Mark
Metal Edge Metal 8-88 cover / 5 page feature / baby pix
Rock Scene Metal 8-88 shows Invasion X-Mas Card
Rock Metal 7-88 2 page feature
Hit Parader's Hot Shots Metal 7-88 photos on 3 pages
Circus Metal 6-88 1/8 page in tour highlights
Rockbeat Metal 6-88 1 page color of the band
Rip metal 6-88 1/4 page photo at NAMM
Hit Parader''s Photo Album metal 5-88 1 page color Vinnie
Empire Soundcheck fanzine 4-88 1 page feature
Kiss Rocks KISSzine 3-88 cover/ 4 page feature
Kiss Asylum KISSzine 2-88 1/4 page update



Album Reviews Capsule of Review
Billboard trade 5-88 a glowing review!
Kerrang UK Metal 5-88 KKKKK: The highest score!
RIP Metal Fantastic
Hard N Fast Fanzine Incredible!
Faces metal 6-88 well, it's "alright"


Press releases
a) ROck N Roll Army Invades Los Angeles Media Corridors w/ 1 photo

b) Vinnie Vincent Invasion Hot Out Of The Box

c) Vinnie Vincent and Vicki Peterson Team Up For Bangles LP w/ 1 photo

d) Invasion Celebrates Album Release With Friends w/ 3 photos




WOOPS!! BIG TIME WOOPS!!

That doesn't include anything from the late July Report. Those aren't broken down at the front...but its damn thick... over 150 pages. And since its not broken down, I'm sure as hell not going to bother.

The point is.... any kid with any clue would have known the cd was out. Invasion was everywhere. That's already been proven without listing all the ones from May-July.

Do you have these magazines? If so....cool!

doublev2 wrote:Even if it sold 2 million copies a day it doesnt change it wasnt played on radio or mtv and that it was obscure to the kids.
I am not arguing about magazine coverage even though it was still low in comparison to most acts. I also still tell you mark slaughter was barely known. Maybe 1 in 300 rock fand will have known his name until slaughter came out.
I used to tell people when up all night was a hit that he used to play with vinnie and no one knew anything about it.

I knew who Mark Slaughter was by the magazines, but not every chick spent money on the metal mags. I bought All Systems Go, but it went in the tape box and stayed there. My Slaughter tape went there too. It's 50/50 with Mark. Not alot of my friends knew about Vinnie Vincent in 1988, but I am a total classic KISS nut! My ex knew nothing about KISS after Ace Frehley left. He liked Slaughter, but hated Winger...I don't know...sounds alot alike to me. He had no clue who the Vinnie Vincent Invasion was....

Fair comment kma.5

doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw is delusional and trying to re write history. You keep vinnie hours so I hope to god you are not him with this total crazy talk.

The fan that only read one side of the story.
Been there, done that.

Same here but deep down I knew but just hoped everyone was wrong.

KissMyAss wrote: I knew who Mark Slaughter was by the magazines, but not every chick spent money on the metal mags..

A hell of alot did. Those 8 or more magazines that was giving VVI about as much coverage as KISS was getting. And considerably more than Frehleys Comet got. It was no contest.

These people can't even tell ya what VVI video placed in the top 5 of the READERS POLL or what singers Mark Slaughter placed ahead of in the same YEP.

They don't know anything about the video play that TTOY and LOVE KILLS received. They certainly don't know about radio play. They'll claim it was never played--even though the trades tell a different story.

Sales figures-- oh that's right-- trades don't matter. It was all a conspiracy to get all the trades to go along.

Also, it was all a conspiracy that Slaughter didn't have in that huge built in fan base from VVI. It's why their debut was certified gold in less than 4 months.

And those people who were never around and are just going off horrible memories probably don't even realize Slaughter was offered the opening slot on the KISS tour before their album had even gone on sale.

But remember--according to them---they were unknowns.

So explain why everyone here has a different experience than the alternate reality that you are trying to put forth. The people here 25 years after the fact who were all VVI fans back in the day and continue to be...don't you think we one of us would remember something vaguely resembling what you are spouting. (And speaking of you still skirt the issue of your memories of hearing Ashes to Ashes non-stop on the radio...probably because you don't have any either)

Vinnie was the focal point, it was his band, Mark may have gained a small following from that band but that doesn't make him the focal point. As for why Slaughter may or may not have been signed up to be Kiss' supporting band....c'mon G&P are the biggest VV haters there are... anyway they could stick it to Vinnie (EDIT: no pun intended I swear to God that was unintentional) they would be on board. It wasn't until Fly To The Angels (which was the 2nd or 3rd single off that album) that Slaughter EXPLODED...they had a modest hit with Up All Night but that was months previous to Angels.

In Vinnie's defence, Slaughter probably slagged Vinnie as much as they could too, which in turn is "name dropping" which can't hurt. Bad publicity is still publicity!

But the biggest reason for their quick rise would have probably been that they were chosen to open for KISS.

shramiac wrote:In Vinnie's defence, Slaughter probably slagged Vinnie as much as they could too, which in turn is "name dropping" which can't hurt. Bad publicity is still publicity!

But the biggest reason for their quick rise would have probably been that they were chosen to open for KISS.

But of course, they got their Gold awards on the 3rd or so night of the tour =). Those KISS fans had no idea they were chosen. The audit etc was already done and the awards being manufactured before the KISS tour started.

Let me also say I saw that tour Winger/Slaughter/Kiss...so obviously I'm not saying Slaughter wasn't on that tour...I'll just conceed that they were signed up previously to the album being released even if I don't know for sure. I'm just saying why that was the case probably had a lot more to do with their mutual disliking of VV than anything else

5minLuvKills wrote:So explain why everyone here has a different experience than the alternate reality that you are trying to put forth. The people here 25 years after the fact who were all VVI fans back in the day and continue to be...don't you think we one of us would remember something vaguely resembling what you are spouting. (And speaking of you still skirt the issue of your memories of hearing Ashes to Ashes non-stop on the radio...probably because you don't have any either)

Vinnie was the focal point, it was his band, Mark may have gained a small following from that band but that doesn't make him the focal point. As for why Slaughter may or may not have been signed up to be Kiss' supporting band....c'mon G&P are the biggest VV haters there are... anyway they could stick it to Vinnie (EDIT: no pun intended I swear to God that was unintentional) they would be on board. It wasn't until Fly To The Angels (which was the 2nd or 3rd single off that album) that Slaughter EXPLODED...they had a modest hit with Up All Night but that was months previous to Angels.

So Slaughter already had a gold album before "Fly To The Angeles" was even released. See how good your memory is with reality? You've just shot yourself in the foot.

I didn't say Ashes To Ashes was played non-stop on the radio. Where it was on the radio charts have been posted.

Hmmm, so you already were wrong on Slaughter and that was 2 years later. So we should trust your memories from 1988 when you can't even get 1990 right? I don't think so.

Also, we've seen flat out lies about VVI getting marginal coverage in the magazines. TOTAL LIE. In fact, they were probably neck and neck with KISS in magazine coverage.

Gonna try and answer what VVI video was in the top 5 in the Readers Choice awards for 1988 and what vocalists Mark Slaughter placed ahead of in the same poll? But if we went by you, nobody knew Mark.

Memories of kids OR trade magazines and stacks and stacks and stacks of magazines with VVI?

Brainsaw wrote:

shramiac wrote:In Vinnie's defence, Slaughter probably slagged Vinnie as much as they could too, which in turn is "name dropping" which can't hurt. Bad publicity is still publicity!

But the biggest reason for their quick rise would have probably been that they were chosen to open for KISS.

But of course, they got their Gold awards on the 3rd or so night of the tour =). Those KISS fans had no idea they were chosen. The audit etc was already done and the awards being manufactured before the KISS tour started.

Prove it.

When was Stick it to Ya released? When was Fly to the Angels released as a single? When did the Kiss tour start?

This is a fun game....Shout at the Devil was 4x Platinum before the US Festival

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:So explain why everyone here has a different experience than the alternate reality that you are trying to put forth. The people here 25 years after the fact who were all VVI fans back in the day and continue to be...don't you think we one of us would remember something vaguely resembling what you are spouting. (And speaking of you still skirt the issue of your memories of hearing Ashes to Ashes non-stop on the radio...probably because you don't have any either)

Vinnie was the focal point, it was his band, Mark may have gained a small following from that band but that doesn't make him the focal point. As for why Slaughter may or may not have been signed up to be Kiss' supporting band....c'mon G&P are the biggest VV haters there are... anyway they could stick it to Vinnie (EDIT: no pun intended I swear to God that was unintentional) they would be on board. It wasn't until Fly To The Angels (which was the 2nd or 3rd single off that album) that Slaughter EXPLODED...they had a modest hit with Up All Night but that was months previous to Angels.

So Slaughter already had a gold album before "Fly To The Angeles" was even released. See how good your memory is with reality? You've just shot yourself in the foot.

I didn't say Ashes To Ashes was played non-stop on the radio. Where it was on the radio charts have been posted.

Hmmm, so you already were wrong on Slaughter and that was 2 years later. So we should trust your memories from 1988 when you can't even get 1990 right? I don't think so.

Also, we've seen flat out lies about VVI getting marginal coverage in the magazines. TOTAL LIE. In fact, they were probably neck and neck with KISS in magazine coverage.

Gonna try and answer what VVI video was in the top 5 in the Readers Choice awards for 1988 and what vocalists Mark Slaughter placed ahead of in the same poll? But if we went by you, nobody knew Mark.

Memories of kids OR trade magazines and stacks and stacks and stacks of magazines with VVI?

I said Up All Night was a Modest hit that will do a lot to get you to Gold status

nevermind BS I found it myself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_It_to_Ya

Stick it to Ya was released in Jan. 1990
The Kiss tour started May 1990
It went gold in May 1990
Fly to the Angels released as a single in July 1990
So it took 5 moths to go gold...doesn't sound like a bunch of people were clamoring to buy when it came our to me

5minLuvKills wrote:[

Prove it.

When was Stick it to Ya released? When was Fly to the Angels released as a single? When did the Kiss tour start?

This is a fun game....Shout at the Devil was 4x Platinum before the US Festival

So when you're wrong on this ...will you concede?

Stick It To Ya was Jan 27 1990 I think.

The video which is how the song exploded was completed on 6/29/90. I know that because the date is on the promo copy of the video. So not until June 29 was the video even done to be handed over to the label.

The HITS tour started May 4 1990. I could have sworn Slaughter got their gold records at one of the Texas dates. If so, then the RIAA is off on the date of when it was certified (they say like May 14).


So how did they get that gold record before the Fly video hit the airwaves in July of 1990?? =)

5minLuvKills wrote: Stick it to Ya was released in Jan. 1990
The Kiss tour started May 1990
It went gold in May 1990
Fly to the Angels released as a single in July 1990
So it took 5 moths to go gold...doesn't sound like a bunch of people were clamoring to buy when it came our to me

I love your math. Jan 27 to early May is how many months? Less than 4 months. You can't even do basic math!

You do realize that highly anticipated albums go Gold easily in the first week don't you?


so it's like this on a time line roughly

5months.....4months................................................................................................1week

5minLuvKills wrote:You do realize that highly anticipated albums go Gold easily in the first week don't you?

Not back then. Again, you are showing your ignorance. The RIAA put in a rule because of abuses from KISS and others. At first it was 3 months after release (to account for returns). It was lowered over the years. I don't feel like looking it up. But again, if you had true knowledge, you'd have known that.


Also, maybe you can explain why HITS didn't go platinum?

Well again you know more than us BS I am honored by your presence

but how did Dr. Feelgood go 2x Platinum 2 months after it's release...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Feelgood_(album)


aah nevermind facts are tricky things

and I never said HITS was a blockbuster album

5minLuvKills wrote:Well again you know more than us BS I am honored by your presence

but how did Dr. Feelgood go 2x Platinum 2 months after it's release...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Feelgood_(album)

Obviously, your reading ability is as bad as your math.

Did you read what I said about it being 3 months and then shortened to two and then 1?

Houston public schools. Ahhh

You claimed they do it in a week yet, for Dr. Feelgood, it took 2 months and they were certified Gold, Platinum and Double Platinum all at the same time. Wow, the 2 month rule was in effect. Just like I talked about.


Keep digging yourself further down!

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:Well again you know more than us BS I am honored by your presence

but how did Dr. Feelgood go 2x Platinum 2 months after it's release...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Feelgood_(album)

Obviously, your reading ability is as bad as your math.

Did you read what I said about it being 3 months and then shortened to two and then 1?

Houston public schools. Ahhh

So explain the time space continuum to me because Dr. Feelgood came out Sept. 1989 that's before Stick It To Ya...so how is something before shortened when it was shortened after as you said?

I could word that more clearly if I wanted but since you are being an insulting and obtuse figure it out yourself

5minLuvKills wrote:
So explain the time space continuum to me because Dr. Feelgood came out Sept. 1989 that's before Stick It To Ya...so how is something before shortened when it was shorten after as you said?

WTF are you talking about? The two month rule was in effect. You had to wait at least 2 months after the release of the cd for certification to account for returns.

Almost 4 months went by from the release of Stick It To Ya till certification. Well past the 2 month period.

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:
So explain the time space continuum to me because Dr. Feelgood came out Sept. 1989 that's before Stick It To Ya...so how is something before shortened when it was shorten after as you said?

WTF are you talking about? The two month rule was in effect. You had to wait at least 2 months after the release of the cd for certification to account for returns.

Almost 4 months went by from the release of Stick It To Ya till certification. Well past the 2 month period.

So...2 months after the release of Dr. Feelgood it goes Gold/Platinum/Double Platinum

2 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes...............................
3 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes..............................
In the 4th month it goes Gold so all the "account for returns" BS doesn't really matter

5minLuvKills wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:
So explain the time space continuum to me because Dr. Feelgood came out Sept. 1989 that's before Stick It To Ya...so how is something before shortened when it was shorten after as you said?

WTF are you talking about? The two month rule was in effect. You had to wait at least 2 months after the release of the cd for certification to account for returns.

Almost 4 months went by from the release of Stick It To Ya till certification. Well past the 2 month period.

So...2 months after the release of Dr. Feelgood it goes Gold/Platinum/Double Platinum

2 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes...............................
3 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes..............................
In the 4th month it goes Gold so all the "account for returns" BS don't really matter

Are you really that stupid? Seriously? Its a simple concept!

Motley Crue shipped at least 2 million units. There was a 2 month waiting period at the time from the initial release date (so you couldn't do a KISS. Ship 2 million get 1 million in returns).

Slaughter was already well past the 2 month rule. So when they finally shipped enough to get Gold certification it was done.



I hate Wikipedia but this explains what you can't grasp:

This system has allowed, at times, for record labels to promote an album as Gold or Platinum simply based on large shipments. For instance, in 1978 the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band soundtrack shipped platinum but was a sales bust, with two million returns.[2] Similarly, all four solo albums by the members of Kiss simultaneously shipped Platinum that same year but did not reach the top 20 of the Billboard 200 album chart.[3] The following year, the RIAA began requiring 120 days from the release date before recordings were eligible for certification, although that requirement has been reduced over the years and currently stands at 30 days.

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:
So explain the time space continuum to me because Dr. Feelgood came out Sept. 1989 that's before Stick It To Ya...so how is something before shortened when it was shorten after as you said?

WTF are you talking about? The two month rule was in effect. You had to wait at least 2 months after the release of the cd for certification to account for returns.

Almost 4 months went by from the release of Stick It To Ya till certification. Well past the 2 month period.

So...2 months after the release of Dr. Feelgood it goes Gold/Platinum/Double Platinum

2 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes...............................
3 months after the release of Stick it to Ya it goes..............................
In the 4th month it goes Gold so all the "account for returns" BS don't really matter

Are you really that stupid? Seriously? Its a simple concept!

Motley Crue shipped at least 2 million units. There was a 2 month waiting period at the time from the initial release date (so you couldn't do a KISS. Ship 2 million get 1 million in returns).

Slaughter was already well past the 2 month rule. So when they finally shipped enough to get Gold certification it was done.

Are you really that obtuse...you started all this shit by saying Mark Slaughter was a star and the album was flying off the shelves (paraphrasing). And I'm saying it didn't. If the 2 month period (which you initially said was 3) was a water mark...then where was Stick It to Ya after that period??? It was nowhere....no certifications yet.

5minLuvKills wrote: .you started all this shit by saying Mark Slaughter was a star and the album was flying off the shelves (paraphrasing). And I'm saying it didn't. If the 2 month period (which you initially said was 3) was a water mark...then where was Stick It to Ya after that period??? It was nowhere....no certifications yet.

Too funny! Since it took a brand new band less than 4 months to go GOLD (before the KISS tour started), before "Fly To The Angels" came out etc.... you claim they didn't have a big following. You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were.

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote: .you started all this shit by saying Mark Slaughter was a star and the album was flying off the shelves (paraphrasing). And I'm saying it didn't. If the 2 month period (which you initially said was 3) was a water mark...then where was Stick It to Ya after that period??? It was nowhere....no certifications yet.

Too funny! Since it took a brand new band less than 4 months to go GOLD (before the KISS tour started), before "Fly To The Angels" came out etc.... you claim they didn't have a big following. You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were.

but I thought they had a built in HUGE fan base...so much for that one

5minLuvKills wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote: .you started all this shit by saying Mark Slaughter was a star and the album was flying off the shelves (paraphrasing). And I'm saying it didn't. If the 2 month period (which you initially said was 3) was a water mark...then where was Stick It to Ya after that period??? It was nowhere....no certifications yet.

Too funny! Since it took a brand new band less than 4 months to go GOLD (before the KISS tour started), before "Fly To The Angels" came out etc.... you claim they didn't have a big following. You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were.

but I thought they had a built in HUGE fan base...so much for that one

They did, thats whey they went GOLD in less than four months. My goodness, you're brain dead!

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote:

Brainsaw wrote:

5minLuvKills wrote: .you started all this shit by saying Mark Slaughter was a star and the album was flying off the shelves (paraphrasing). And I'm saying it didn't. If the 2 month period (which you initially said was 3) was a water mark...then where was Stick It to Ya after that period??? It was nowhere....no certifications yet.

Too funny! Since it took a brand new band less than 4 months to go GOLD (before the KISS tour started), before "Fly To The Angels" came out etc.... you claim they didn't have a big following. You're an even bigger idiot than I thought you were.

but I thought they had a built in HUGE fan base...so much for that one

They did, thats whey they went GOLD in less than four months. My goodness, you're brain dead!

So Gold is Huge by your standards...ok

Did VVI have fans?...sure of course they did, Did those fans buy Stick it to Ya? OF COURSE...Hell I was one of them I bought the fuckin album when it came out. Were those fans enough to make the album go Gold right off the bat....

NO

Slaughter had to acquire new fans to get there. Which they did with Up All Night...and then they hit the big time with Fly To The Angels....because by my estimation when you go Platinum that's when you have a HUGE fanbase. VVI never had that. At a time when this music was as popular as it will ever be VVI didn't even have a Gold album to their credit...at least when they were an active band...they may now I don't know since the albums have been around for 25 years

5minLuvKills wrote:So Gold is Huge by your standards...ok

Did VVI have fans?...sure of course they did, Did those fans buy Stick it to Ya? OF COURSE...Hell I was one of them I bought the fuckin album when it came out. Were those fans enough to make the album go Gold right off the bat....s

Of course, every VVI fan didn't go rush out to buy Stick It To Ya, but they sure had a big built in fan base.

And the whole point was that All Systems Go was close to GOLD STATUS at the time the band dissolved. That's been the whole point. Liars out there claimed that not to be the case. Even though VVI was doing better than all those other acts mentioned. For VVI to be at almost 400,000 by July 1988 was pretty damn impressive.

That's been the whole thing ASG is most likely long past the requirements to reach GOLD status but the label would have had no reason to want to submit it after the fallout (and they knew it was coming before it all fell apart).

Hey Dude I wish it would have I wish they were still together...if they had stayed together who knows how good they would have done. I was wanting them to succeed I WAS AND STILL AM A VVI FAN. But they didn't...maybe they were poised to be as big or bigger as Slaughter became...we'll never know

I bought ithe Slaughter album because of Vinnie! Then gave gave it to a mate cause I HATED it!

Please play nice people, lets be civil.

Depending on your viewpoint Slaughter had an indirect link to Kiss via Vinnie, so most Kiss fans were at least aware of them and the album. I liked it ok but after a few listens it was too sugary sweet in the lyrics. Good for teen girls I guess, which is good for sales.

Also, the HITS tour almost didn't happen and was held off until Forever became an actual proper hit single.

Also helping the tour was two popular opening acts, a triple bill to boost numbers. Slaughter were up and coming. They were also very good with dealing with fans and their fan club, very accommodating. My friend Mark got in touch with them though he thought their music was pike. He was a Kiss collector so wanted some stuff and they obliged.

I read a lot interisisting !!! ANYWAY WTF MARK SLAUGHTER IS MY GOD!!! Thanks to Vinnie because they had Mark replacing Robert and now I am fuckin dead and with no ovaries dead!!
bahahahahahhaahaha !

reneroxx wrote: I am fuckin dead and with no ovaries dead!!

Brainsaw wrote:

KissMyAss wrote: I knew who Mark Slaughter was by the magazines, but not every chick spent money on the metal mags..

A hell of alot did. Those 8 or more magazines that was giving VVI about as much coverage as KISS was getting. And considerably more than Frehleys Comet got. It was no contest.

These people can't even tell ya what VVI video placed in the top 5 of the READERS POLL or what singers Mark Slaughter placed ahead of in the same YEP.

They don't know anything about the video play that TTOY and LOVE KILLS received. They certainly don't know about radio play. They'll claim it was never played--even though the trades tell a different story.

Sales figures-- oh that's right-- trades don't matter. It was all a conspiracy to get all the trades to go along.

Also, it was all a conspiracy that Slaughter didn't have in that huge built in fan base from VVI. It's why their debut was certified gold in less than 4 months.

And those people who were never around and are just going off horrible memories probably don't even realize Slaughter was offered the opening slot on the KISS tour before their album had even gone on sale.

But remember--according to them---they were unknowns.

I stand corrected. I went to high school in a religious, consertive area.

Mark Slaughter had the look and the sound to make it without VVI. The VVI couldn't make it with Mark Slaughter. Vinnie Vincent even admitted the VVI sounded better with Robert. Let me explain the reasons Vinnie Vincent and Mark Slaughter do not blend. Vinnie is sleaze rock, and Mark Slaughter is butt rock. No offense to either. Apart from one another, both fared better, unless Vinnie hired Goran Edman or Jeff Scott Soto.

You can ask my friends here. I have never been afraid to correct them if I thought they were wrong, or to admit when I wrongly corrected them. Which is often the case Making sales appear greater is not unheard of in unethical business practices.