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Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:06 am
by thattimeofyear87
Probably another topic that has been beaten to death…

Creature Of The Night: Steve Farris
Saint And Sinner: VV
Keep Me Comin': VV
Rock And Roll Hell: Robben Ford
Danger: VV
I Love It Loud: VV
I Still Love You: Robben Ford
Killer: VV
War Machine: VV
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:56 am
by doublev2
Thats what I heard. I thought paul did a solo on one tune though. Not sure if vv played rhythm or not.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:41 am
by Genebaby
Adam Mitchell also played on Creatures. He does the lick in between the verses.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:47 am
by PinkWiz
doublev2 wrote:Thats what I heard. I thought paul did a solo on one tune though. Not sure if vv played rhythm or not.
I think Eisen just "pretends" to Cusano's solo in the ILIL vid...

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:51 am
by PinkWiz
I also remember Mitchell saying Carr took a turn at the Creatures solo before Farris nailed it. I would LOVE to hear those outtakes... if any.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:57 am
by shramiac
I thought he did the lick at the end of CotN?
Bob this year admitted that none of his solos made it onto the album. I knew it! Killers and Danger always sounded like Vinnie to me.
http://www.examiner.com/article/bob-kul ... -loaf-more
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:05 am
by PinkWiz
For YEARS I thought Bob played the I Still Love U solo until Robben confirmed he played it in an interview when asked about his "weirdest?" sessions.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:02 pm
by doublev2
Carr played bass I believe. Would have been awesome if eric had a solo on creatures.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:12 pm
by PinkWiz
Yes, Carr's bassist on ISLY.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:48 pm
by shramiac
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:29 pm
by PinkWiz
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:24 am
by kisslolo
Bob Kulick lead guitar on "Danger"
Robben Ford lead guitar on "Rock and Roll Hell" and "I Still Love You"
Steve Farris lead guitar on "Creatures of the Night"
Mike Porcaro bass guitar on "Creatures of the Night"
Jimmy Haslip bass guitar on "Danger"
Vincent Cusano lead guitar and backing vocals on "Saint and Sinner", "Keep Me Comin'", "I Love It Loud", "Killer", and "War Machine"
and
Gene Simmons bass guitar, vocals, rhythm guitar on "Killer" and "War Machine"
Eric Carr drums, percussion, backing vocals, bass guitar on "I Still Love You"
Paul Stanley rhythm guitar, vocals
If my memories are well, it seems to me that that's it!
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:54 am
by poserboy71
kisslolo wrote:Bob Kulick lead guitar on "Danger"
Vincent Cusano lead guitar and backing vocals on "Saint and Sinner", "Keep Me Comin'", "I Love It Loud", "Killer", and "War Machine"
Danger is classic Vinnie. No way it is Bob.
"Saint and Sinner" could be Vinnie's debut of his pedal steel playing on record.

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:45 am
by Genebaby
Remember, Bob has said he did not play on Creatures.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:31 am
by kisslolo
Thanks !

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:34 am
by doublev2
I wish eddie had played a solo just to hear him play with kiss
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:57 am
by shramiac
doublev2 wrote:I wish eddie had played a solo just to hear him play with kiss
Yeah, would have been cool!
Everyone would have known it was him though as his playing is so easily recognised! He could never have been in KISS anyway! Not with that goofy mouth of his under the makeup!

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:45 pm
by PinkWiz
Eddie's makeup
design:

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:23 pm
by shramiac
You eeeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeot!!!!

Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:42 pm
by KissMyAss
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Eddie's makeup
design:

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Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:37 am
by doublev2
Hehe
What surprise me is they tried to make people think ace played on cratures. How the hell could ace play any of those solos in particular I still love you but all of them. I guess most people didnt think about it back then. Kiss could never have done I still love you if ace was a band member.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:48 pm
by PinkWiz
I even remember being 11 and thinking "no way did Ace have anything to do with Creatures." The lack of an Ace-penned tune with a lead vocal kinda cued me in too.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:12 pm
by doublev2
Yeah maybe I take back a little. You would have to know nothing about kiss to think ace played any solos. Now I would enjoy watching ace attempt creatures and I still love you solos.
Have to say the 2 guys who played them did as well or better than vv on that record. Actually my 3 favourite vv era solos were not played by vv weirdly even though I love vv the best.
Exciter. .I.s.l.y.and cotn.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:46 pm
by PinkWiz
I believe Ace could've rocked the solos on Creatures but in a different way. His limited ability mixed with his sense of melody and killer "sing-along" phrasing would've been great I'm sure.
Too bad he was wrecking cars on the wrong side of the road instead of being thankful for the position he was in with Kiss. I guess when you're in the 1% who are lucky enough to "make it" you don't stop and think about how lucky you really are.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:48 am
by kisslolo
The information was very summary in 1982, and the disinformation by Kiss, very in the point! But Ace would have been incapable of played on this album, technically it is very very basic, has one thousand place of a Vinnie, Mark, Bruce or Tommy!
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:44 am
by poserboy71
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:45 pm
by Genebaby
I think he means to say he thinks Ace's playing is technically very basic, he like one thousandth of the talent of the other guys?
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:02 pm
by kisslolo
It is my thought!
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:00 am
by poserboy71
kisslolo, I see what you meant now. Sometimes the broken English is hard to read.
At first I thought that you meant that the guitar playing on Creatures Of The Night was technically basic.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:44 pm
by doublev2
I would have loved watching ace try and play i still love you solo. I mean watch him struggling.
One ace solo would have been very interesting.
The drums really sound like led zeppelin on that record and traces everywhere.
I still say Peter could have done great on creatures. He did a great job with big drum sound on god of thunder. The drums are genius on that song
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:16 pm
by Genebaby
Yes, a dedicated Peter would have been fine on Creatures, he was still young and strong, just chemically imbalanced to giving a good performance.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:51 pm
by shramiac
Disagree! I think the album would have sounded lifeless! No double bass drums for a start!
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:04 pm
by doublev2
Not saying Peter would have been better saying the 74 through 77 Peter could have done something good.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:38 pm
by Genebaby
You don't need double kick to kick ass. Peter has kicked ass on Kiss albums, he would have managed on this one if he was in good shape.
Re: Lead Guitar On COTN: Is This Correct?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:44 pm
by PinkWiz
Peter's drums on Creatures would've sounded similar to studio side 4 of Alive II... his drums on Larger Than Life were monsterous.