Mike Bone on ASG

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:33 pm

There are others who do not espouse the Metal Family Tree approach, at least when it applies to certain artists. Take Mike Bone, president of Chrysalis Records, on his company's approach to promoting the new Vinnie Vincent Invasion album.

Guitarist Vincent was at one point a member of multi-platinum metal standard-bearers Kiss; yet, says Bone, that relationship will go unmentioned by Chrysalis.

"It may be in his bio, but it's not mentioned in any of our trade advertising, our consumer print advertising, or radio advertising," says Bone. "It's not on our poster. The Vinnie Vincent Invasion stands on its own, based on its own musical validity. It's not a history lesson here-we're looking for· ward, not backward." The first Vincent album sold more than 250,000 units, says Bone, and the company plans on matching that number on initial shipment of the new one;

The key words here are musical validity. Chrysalis will be utilizing a dual strategy in promoting Vincent's new album, one that superbly illustrates how diverse the audience for heavy metal, indeed, whatever you choose to call ithas become. That strategy recognizes the existence of two audiences out there-a core metal audience, and a larger, general audience.

"The first track we're going to go after is a song called 'Ashes To Ashes,''' says Bone, "and we're not going to make a video. We will make a video of the second track. The first track in our marketing campaign is totally slanted to¬ward his fan base-it's a real uptempo, hard-rock track that we will get on the Z.Rock-type radio stations, the rocking album rock stations. Currently we don't have any plans to release it as a single.

"The second track that we go after is a much more mass appeal track, a power ballad called 'Love Kills.' And we will have a massive album rock acceptance on that, there will be a video on that, and we will release it as a single for the hard-rocking top 40 stations."

Why the dual approach? "You can't afford to offend your core market," says Bone, "and that first track will be very palatable to those people. It's just a matter of making the video--because the damn things are so expensive now-in the right track. And the right track, the one that's going to get played on MTV, is the track that's going to get played on mainstream album rock radio, then hopefully cross over
and be somewhat of a pop hit single."

Billboard May 7, 1988 Heavy Metal "Turning Up The Heat"

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Also remember, if you don't like reality- JUST LIE AND SAY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Who cares if you don't have jack to back up your lies. You can always say Billboard, HITS (retailers who said what was selling) you name it were all wrong. You can live in your fantasy world or accept REALITY.

Heck, there's some who even claimed you couldn't find VVI articles in magazines etc. Woops, they probably chocked when they saw that partial list.

Some are probably crying their eyes out right now.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:39 pm

The units are faked to make it look like it was doing better.
You can not argue that vvi was some big band.. they were not especially in 88.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:44 pm

Some shows without la guns opening who were a bigger band by then were getting 200 people attendences . The whiskey in la was less than half full and its small as it is. Cheap tickets like 5 or 10 bucks or something too.
Please talk about radio and mtv play.
They did promotional radio shows on local stations paid by promoters to promote shows .. yes... but no play just for the hell of it.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:32 pm

who cares if Love Kills had mass appeal when the person singing made the songwriter "nauseous" at the sound of the singer's voice?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:44 pm

Yeah . The thing is vv likes to think mark became big because of vv.

I have to say I think the vocals on love kills are hands down the bestbof any song in the 80s. Amazing. Kerrang even commented how good. Live was different

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:02 pm

hmmm, I don't wanna give VV too much credit, but I believe Dana did ride the VV coattails with Mark Slaughter a bit. Slaughter's success will alwyas be the one thing that baffles me from here to etertinity. Sure, Mark was pretty but how does a band go from the songwriting genius (fuck Vinnie) of Cusano to the mediocre writing of Mark and Dana to the top of the charts? There is no god...

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:19 pm

PinkWiz wrote:hmmm, I don't wanna give VV too much credit, but I believe Dana did ride the VV coattails with Mark Slaughter a bit. Slaughter's success will alwyas be the one thing that baffles me from here to etertinity. Sure, Mark was pretty but how does a band go from the songwriting genius (fuck Vinnie) of Cusano to the mediocre writing of Mark and Dana to the top of the charts? There is no god...

Because like I had touched on before, ASG was flying off the shelves. If the band hadn't broken up (and the writing wasn't on the wall with Chrysalis even before that), I'm sure they would have been getting gold albums by September.

Had the band stayed together and rode the wave, it could have easily been a 2 X platinum seller or more.

The women loved Mark. Alot of the ones buying ASG were females. And those same ones stuck with Mark/Dana and helped propel Slaughter and Stick It To Ya up the charts. A big part of their fan base were females. And then, not only did they have Mark but they were also crazy about Blas as well.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:57 pm

With no mtv play or radio.. no.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:58 pm

Flying off the shelves is delusional.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:00 am

Brainsaw up all night. Posting until 7am nashville time.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:06 am

doublev2 wrote:Brainsaw up all night. Posting until 7am nashville time.

C'mon Dino... he/she's innocent...
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Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm

Remember kids, Billboard, Hits, Radio and Records you name it--they were all in on the conspiracy!

. Better to trust kids in junior high school memories than actual indisputable facts.

VVI places in the top 5 for best video in major magazines year in poll. But of course according to the clueless, they didn't get airplay. Although, VVI was played all the time on Headbangers Ball, Hard 60 etc.

Slaughter goes gold in less than 4 months because they already had that huge fan base from VVI.

Slaughter gets KISS tour opening slot before "Stick It To Ya" was released. Golly, what did KISS know that the clueless liars didn't? hmmmm

I love how they try and revise history. It's like they would rather prop up a lie than admit the truth. Granted, I'm not happy ASG sold more than VVI, but the facts are the facts.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:35 pm

Kiss had Slaughter on tour to "STICK IT" to Vinnie.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 am

No way did vvi videos place in top 5 videos in 88. Brainsaw you are on crack.
That is the most ridiculous statement yet.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:08 am

doublev2 wrote:No way did vvi videos place in top 5 videos in 88.

Maybe in fan polls that WE participated in.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:10 am

Brainsaw you have yet to answer my questions about ashes to ashes? Also show me the top 5 polls where vvi videos were listed in 88. Think how many rock videos were out in 88?
My memory is fine regarding 1988.
Brainsaw is trying to change history and god helps us if its vv.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:11 am

Yeah in my fanzine called GUTTER PRESS but only about 5 people read that.
I had one pen pall who was a big vvi fan and all we talked about is how free people knew about asg.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:30 am

poserboy71 wrote:
doublev2 wrote:No way did vvi videos place in top 5 videos in 88.
Maybe in fan polls that WE participated in.

But nobody could have known about the video because it was never played! ha ha

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:34 am

We waited for those videos and taped them when they were played.

I have a VHS tape with the BAGR video taped about 10 times.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:30 am

They were not played but a few times. I looked out for them and taped em with vhs.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:48 pm

poserboy71 wrote:Kiss had Slaughter on tour to "STICK IT" to Vinnie.

It's a business. Kiss weren't doing that well at the time. Do you think they would waste their money and a chance to put butts in the seats if they didn't know about their big fan base already etc and thought they might help them?

Kinda funny how the opening act went double platinum, while "HITS" is gold.

Slaughter also released the EP that year which went gold.

Then a home video as well.

Even early on in the tour, there were rumblings about how much Merch Slaughter was moving. Some night, its claimed not that far from what KISS was moving.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:10 am

Brainsaw wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:Kiss had Slaughter on tour to "STICK IT" to Vinnie.
It's a business. Kiss weren't doing that well at the time. Do you think they would waste their money and a chance to put butts in the seats if they didn't know about their big fan base already etc and thought they might help them?

Kinda funny how the opening act went double platinum, while "HITS" is gold.

Slaughter also released the EP that year which went gold.

Then a home video as well.

Even early on in the tour, there were rumblings about how much Merch Slaughter was moving. Some night, its claimed not that far from what KISS was moving.

I agree. Slaughter was hot before that tour and album because of association and not necessarily talent. A lot of buzz do to the Vinnie/Kiss association.
They sold a lot of records on the tenseness surrounding that relationship.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:31 am

Slaughters up all night was a hit off the bat. I dont think vv was to help. Only thing that helped was the chrysalis deal.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:47 am

poserboy71 wrote: I agree. Slaughter was hot before that tour and album because of association and not necessarily talent. A lot of buzz do to the Vinnie/Kiss association.
They sold a lot of records on the tenseness surrounding that relationship.

But that couldn't be true because Chrysalis just made that up in the marketing for Stick It To Ya. They were complete unknowns damnit!

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The whole thing was set up beautifully by Chrysalis. When they put out the Feb plan of making Mark the focus. They were planning on what if. And if you go back and see how many features were done on Mark...from the beginning of the year....till August/September. Huge coverage.

And Mark and Dana were always just glad handing all those reporters etc. And the minute Invasion broke up, they kept them and cultivated them and continued to get publicity after publicity in the mags.

They went so far to kiss Geri Millers ass--included her camera noise on Stick It To Ya.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:50 am

Brainsaw wrote:
They went so far to kiss Geri Millers ass--included her camera noise on Stick It To Ya.

I heard that Dana did more than kiss her ass...

He fell on the grenade.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:53 am

poserboy71 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:
They went so far to kiss Geri Millers ass--included her camera noise on Stick It To Ya.
I heard that Dana did more than kiss her ass...
He fell on the grenade.

Well if you go the stories.... then of course you heard about him having his porn star girlfriend put on a strap on and Stick It To him

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:56 am

Nothing wrong with that. Get yer freak on !!!!

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:09 am

Also have to wonder what would have happened had they stayed on schedule with their plan.

Love Kills was to be released after "Ashes To Ashes". They were going to shoot a video for it in mid-May. The video was going to be very cool. It was to feature this giant bird type scene (Nigel had gotten the inspiration from an old Life magazine) and then the girl would have been up on a cross.

There was kind of a scene that resembled it in "Silence of the Lambs".

Then the "Nightmare" thing came at them.

There was some reason Vinnie didn't write a song for it. Can't remember too last minute or what--so they went with Love Kills for the movie and then did "That Time Of Year" as the 2nd release.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:22 am

BS, I dig the stories and the visuals they provide ,BUT, for someone that insists on solid evidence, you can't expect us to believe this stuff unless you expose who you are .
These stories aren't fair to Vinnie or any one of the members here.

Fair ???? Why is it so difficult ?

Most everyone here at this forum is on a first name basis yet a new member with great information refuses to answer Dino's questions and give everyone a proper introduction.

It has been offered to you before: Should we make the forum PRIVATE so you'd feel a little more at ease ?

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:20 am

Name dropping nigel for an effect. I think you are trying to communicate with vv somw how almost fooling with him.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:31 am

poserboy71 wrote:BS, I dig the stories and the visuals they provide ,BUT, for someone that insists on solid evidence, you can't expect us to believe this stuff unless you expose who you are .
These stories aren't fair to Vinnie or any one of the members here.

Fair ???? Why is it so difficult ?

Most everyone here at this forum is on a first name basis yet a new member with great information refuses to answer Dino's questions and give everyone a proper introduction.

It has been offered to you before: Should we make the forum PRIVATE so you'd feel a little more at ease ?

I don't know if you don't pay attention or you miss things just as bad as the person you mention.

The radio play had already been discussed. Not only the amount and where it was charting, but I gave a breakdown for the Southwest region of the stations playing it because the one guy said it wasn't played in Houston.

Mike Bone discussed why Ashes was released first.

I had already answered about the problems with the ASG tour merchandise.

Answer after answer has been given. I can't help it if people are so busy replying 5 and 6 times (instead of just editing a post and adding to it) and they don't even pay attention to anything.

What is hilarious is seeing how "Nigel Thomas" (manager) / Nigel Dick (video director) was some big "inside info" and THAT supposedly proved something. Not all the states etc and inside stuff from the label and other things but THAT.

Who can forget the Slaughter slam on Nigel Thomas....

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Now if you want to ask me what Hotel they were at on the first tour or the names of the models in the videos or things like that. Shoot.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:38 pm

BS, Was your last post meant as an answer to ME ????

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:59 pm

damn Brainsaw, quit with all the stats and just introduce yourself... that's all anyone is asking.

Brainsaw · Post by **Brainsaw** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:40 pm

poserboy71 wrote:BS, Was your last post meant as an answer to ME ????

Yes, that was for you. You said I didn't answer the questions of someone who has said the most vile and hateful things about Vinnie.

They are out there. Radio play, Why Ashes released first etc. All out there. Why don't you go point it all out to him.

Frankily, I don't care to be on any first name basis with people who continually slag Vinnie or don't shut up others who do. Maybe you think the OJ comments are great or Vinnie's forging names or "we'll stop Vinnie". Screw that.

They can hate VInnie all they want. THey can post here 24/7 and slag him. But don't expect people to be nice to them or even care what they have to say. Especially not when almost everything they say is FALSE.

Funny, you want proof. Hell, you dismiss trades and even the actual sales figures from the label but you'll accept sales figures from online blogs and other nonsense? WTF -- do they go audit the sales??? =) Who is the only one who knows the sales of those things (prior to them being certified)?

Sales spin is George Sewitt saying prior to ASG coming out that Invasion is gold.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:46 pm

We love vv thats why we are here .
Saying you have the tapes from cherokee is not a normal thing to say so tell us how you have them plesse or give us sime faked stats.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:51 am

This is getting good.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:58 am

Brainsaw wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:BS, Was your last post meant as an answer to ME ????

Yes, that was for you. You said I didn't answer the questions of someone who has said the most vile and hateful things about Vinnie.

They are out there. Radio play, Why Ashes released first etc. All out there. Why don't you go point it all out to him.

Frankily, I don't care to be on any first name basis with people who continually slag Vinnie or don't shut up others who do. Maybe you think the OJ comments are great or Vinnie's forging names or "we'll stop Vinnie". Screw that.

They can hate VInnie all they want. THey can post here 24/7 and slag him. But don't expect people to be nice to them or even care what they have to say. Especially not when almost everything they say is FALSE.

Funny, you want proof. Hell, you dismiss trades and even the actual sales figures from the label but you'll accept sales figures from online blogs and other nonsense? WTF -- do they go audit the sales??? =) Who is the only one who knows the sales of those things (prior to them being certified)?

Sales spin is George Sewitt saying prior to ASG coming out that Invasion is gold.

In other words, you can't associate with anyone you disagree with on a first name basis.

Shame on you for thinking this board should silence anti domestic violence threads! I don't think it's great. I didn't want to believe any of this. I like the guy. Alot. I don't like what happened to his wife. If there is an ACTUAL mistake, I will celebrate!!!! And then send a long apology letter to Vinnie Vincent that he probably won't read all the way through, expressing my regret. He chooses to focus on his losses, rather than defending himself. If he is innocent, why not? I want to believe his innocence, like his other fans, but I'm not going to live in fantasy land because Vinnie's a likeable dude. Sorry. No way.

You're wrong on so many levels, it isn't even funny. Instead of befriending us, you've chosen the "accept blindly or fuck you" approach. I defended your ass when you first came here. I don't think I deserve flowers, and never asked for a bouquet. But I sure as hell don't deserve getting snubbed over a difference of view point.

Relax and make friends. Why else would you hang around if not to make FRIENDS??? It's illogical to waste your time talking to people you don't want to know on a first name basis.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:17 am

Brainsaw wrote:You said I didn't answer the questions of someone who has said the most vile and hateful things about Vinnie.

They are out there. Radio play, Why Ashes released first etc. All out there. Why don't you go point it all out to him.

Frankily, I don't care to be on any first name basis with people who continually slag Vinnie or don't shut up others who do. Maybe you think the OJ comments are great or Vinnie's forging names or "we'll stop Vinnie". Screw that.

They can hate VInnie all they want. THey can post here 24/7 and slag him. But don't expect people to be nice to them or even care what they have to say. Especially not when almost everything they say is FALSE.

Funny, you want proof. Hell, you dismiss trades and even the actual sales figures from the label but you'll accept sales figures from online blogs and other nonsense? WTF -- do they go audit the sales??? =) Who is the only one who knows the sales of those things (prior to them being certified)?

Sales spin is George Sewitt saying prior to ASG coming out that Invasion is gold.

I've said some pretty vile things about Vinnie on here before. I regret some of them...a little. Some people called me out on them. I stopped. I'm one of the actual "victims" of fraud in the BOX SET scandal and have posted the receipts and letters "Metaluna Records" sent to me up on this very forum if you'd like to search them out.
I guess what I'm saying is, I love the music Vinnie has made. I love music of all genres really. I think that if people could get beyond it being 80's hair metal or even hard rock, they might figure out that Vinnie was writing and composing material that others weren't even coming close to. (Not to say I didn't like the simple stuff others did. I've always felt there is room for filet mignon and for a cheeseburger.)
What I am not saying is that Vinnie is a good guy that deserves to be defended as a human being. I give no credence to this "KISS really treated him badly so you can't blame him for being messed up now" philosophy. If you've read any of MY backstory you'd know that I have plenty of reason to be mad at the world and treat everyone like shit and yet I do not. There are literally dozens of people on dozens of websites, in dozens of interviews on multiple podcasts detailing the deplorable actions of Vinnie Vincent, human being.

Brainsaw...are you saying that ALL of those sources are lying in some giant conspiracy to ruin the non-existant reputation of a has-been? I'm saying that, after about the 17th story and personally getting ripped off by the man, I had more than enough information to make the judgement. VVI and ASG failed because Vinnie is a turd of a human being that preferred to rip people off instead of doing whatever it took to make it. SLAUGHTER did whatever it took to make it and they had the platinum albums and video hits to show for it.

I have not shed a tear for this complete turd of a human being. I will never do so.

Even after all of that, I would walk into a BEST BUY and pluck down $20 to buy a legitimate release of GUITARS FROM HELL/GUITARMAGEDDON. I would log onto AMAZON.COM, pre-order and next-day-air a copy of any kind of brand new release of all new material.

What does THAT tell you, Brainsaw?

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:40 am

Brainsaw,
How do you explain the Archives that fans never received, yet paid for?

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:08 am

erg2 wrote:
Brainsaw wrote:You said I didn't answer the questions of someone who has said the most vile and hateful things about Vinnie.

They are out there. Radio play, Why Ashes released first etc. All out there. Why don't you go point it all out to him.

Frankily, I don't care to be on any first name basis with people who continually slag Vinnie or don't shut up others who do. Maybe you think the OJ comments are great or Vinnie's forging names or "we'll stop Vinnie". Screw that.

They can hate VInnie all they want. THey can post here 24/7 and slag him. But don't expect people to be nice to them or even care what they have to say. Especially not when almost everything they say is FALSE.

Funny, you want proof. Hell, you dismiss trades and even the actual sales figures from the label but you'll accept sales figures from online blogs and other nonsense? WTF -- do they go audit the sales??? =) Who is the only one who knows the sales of those things (prior to them being certified)?

Sales spin is George Sewitt saying prior to ASG coming out that Invasion is gold.
If you've read any of MY backstory you'd know that I have plenty of reason to be mad at the world and treat everyone like shit and yet I do not.

Bravo. Same here. The world is filled with people who get screwed. Some people learn from it, others learn to hate from it. The later is unjustified by the existence of the alternative.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:44 am

I live every day of my life in severe, debilitating pain. I could go on disability. Sit in my house and make the world pay for my sorry state. I could spout venom. I could be bitter and try to get everyone to pay because it all hasn't worked out the way I wanted.

But I have blessings. I have a wife that loves me and a little boy that means everything to me. So I drag my ass out of bed every fucking day and drive 50 minutes to work. I want to be a part of society and provide for my family. Not be a burden. I had to give up drumming last year because of the pain and not being able to hold the stick properly in my left hand anymore, but I still try to write and make music whenever I can.

So tell ME if you will Mr. Vinnie Vincent...you can't make music anymore because KISS gave your soul a boo-boo? You can't share music anymore because you don't have a $7-million contract? Here's a reality check you turd. Very few people's lives turned out the way they wanted and for you to sit in your house pouting like you deserve something better than the rest of us is an insult.

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:50 am

Well said erg2. Well said.

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:07 am

Brainsaw wrote:
poserboy71 wrote:BS, Was your last post meant as an answer to ME ????

Yes, that was for you. You said I didn't answer the questions of someone who has said the most vile and hateful things about Vinnie.

They are out there. Radio play, Why Ashes released first etc. All out there. Why don't you go point it all out to him.

Frankily, I don't care to be on any first name basis with people who continually slag Vinnie or don't shut up others who do. Maybe you think the OJ comments are great or Vinnie's forging names or "we'll stop Vinnie". Screw that.

They can hate VInnie all they want. THey can post here 24/7 and slag him. But don't expect people to be nice to them or even care what they have to say. Especially not when almost everything they say is FALSE.

Funny, you want proof. Hell, you dismiss trades and even the actual sales figures from the label but you'll accept sales figures from online blogs and other nonsense? WTF -- do they go audit the sales??? =) Who is the only one who knows the sales of those things (prior to them being certified)?

Sales spin is George Sewitt saying prior to ASG coming out that Invasion is gold.

Firstly, It is not my place to censor Dino or anyone else. I am simply a fan just like YOU ARE. I DO NOT agree with a lot of what has been said. When that occurs, I simply stay away from the thread. The OJ comment was out of line. As for them bringing up the mug shot again, that cuts me deeper

because it is ACTUAL. I don't need to relive that sadness and neither does anyone else that looks at it.

Honestly, I don't understand a lot of what you and Dino are discussing but I have seen him ask a few questions that you have ignored. I'm not being a dick.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST ME AS WELL ???? If not, you can call me PB , Rick, Poserboy, RS, ...

As for me asking for PROOF, I was simply asking for you to print a few of those articles from the magazines that you are getting your information from SO YOU CAN DRIVE YOUR POINT HOME !!!!
Without them, your points are just as weak as the people that you blame for spreading FALSE INFORMATION.
I am a bystander that wants this unnecessary bullshit to end once and for all !!!!

Funny, You want me to trust sales figures of a label that FUCKED ME OUT OF HEARING MY FAVORITE GUITARIST FOR OVER 23 YEARS. I could care less about sales figures because I have MY copies of the album. Sales figures have never swayed my decision to purchase or like an artist's work.
Also , I never knew "Ashes" was the first single. That's news to me 24 years later.

Why would I trust a trade magazine ? I am no longer in the music business (even though I was just a simpleton Tech). It is my belief that they are used to hype tours and sell them to promoters.

LET'S STEP AWAY FROM THESE SILLY LITTLE SCREEN NAMES AND GET RIGHT DOWN TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER

If ANYONE within this forum cannot post proven facts within your posts then... KINDLY SHUT THE FUCK UP !

PUT UP OR SHUT UP !

I have talked with Dino in PRIVATE and have asked him to show proof and to watch his words.
BRAINSAW,If I knew your name and could contact you via PM, I would have afforded you the same respect.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:49 pm

Don't blame Dino for the OJ thread. It's my fault. It wasn't hate, but fear. I was afraid for Diane. Abuse can turn dangerous

A review of the research found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. [8] BJS reports that 30 percent of female homicide victims are murdered by their intimate partners compared with 5 percent of male homicide victims, and that 22 percent of victims of nonfatal intimate partner violence are female but only 3 percent are male. [9] Researchers that use city- and State-generated databases for analysis, however, attribute 40–50 percent of female homicides to intimate partners. This discrepancy likely results from omission of ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends from the Federal Supplementary Homicide Reports that are used by BJS. Ex-boyfriends account for up to 11 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by men, and ex-girlfriends account for up to 3 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by women.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/intimat ... suring.htm

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Abusers fantasize about violence, according to mental health professionals:

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domesti ... ffects.htm

Violent and abusive behavior is the abuser’s choice
Despite what many people believe, domestic violence and abuse is not due to the abuser’s loss of control over his or her behavior. In fact, abusive behavior and violence is a deliberate choice made by the abuser in order to control you.

Abusers use a variety of tactics to manipulate you and exert their power:
Dominance – Abusive individuals need to feel in charge of the relationship. They will make decisions for you and the family, tell you what to do, and expect you to obey without question. Your abuser may treat you like a servant, child, or even as his or her possession.
Humiliation – An abuser will do everything he or she can to make you feel bad about yourself or defective in some way. After all, if you believe you're worthless and that no one else will want you, you're less likely to leave. Insults, name-calling, shaming, and public put-downs are all weapons of abuse designed to erode your self-esteem and make you feel powerless.
Isolation – In order to increase your dependence on him or her, an abusive partner will cut you off from the outside world. He or she may keep you from seeing family or friends, or even prevent you from going to work or school. You may have to ask permission to do anything, go anywhere, or see anyone.
Threats – Abusers commonly use threats to keep their partners from leaving or to scare them into dropping charges. Your abuser may threaten to hurt or kill you, your children, other family members, or even pets. He or she may also threaten to commit suicide, file false charges against you, or report you to child services.
Intimidation – Your abuser may use a variety of intimidation tactics designed to scare you into submission. Such tactics include making threatening looks or gestures, smashing things in front of you, destroying property, hurting your pets, or putting weapons on display. The clear message is that if you don't obey, there will be violent consequences.
Denial and blame – Abusers are very good at making excuses for the inexcusable. They will blame their abusive and violent behavior on a bad childhood, a bad day, and even on the victims of their abuse. Your abusive partner may minimize the abuse or deny that it occurred. He or she will commonly shift the responsibility on to you: Somehow, his or her violent and abusive behavior is your fault.
Abusers are able to control their behavior—they do it all the time.
Abusers pick and choose whom to abuse. They don’t insult, threaten, or assault everyone in their life who gives them grief. Usually, they save their abuse for the people closest to them, the ones they claim to love.
Abusers carefully choose when and where to abuse. They control themselves until no one else is around to see their abusive behavior. They may act like everything is fine in public, but lash out instantly as soon as you’re alone.
Abusers are able to stop their abusive behavior when it benefits them. Most abusers are not out of control. In fact, they’re able to immediately stop their abusive behavior when it’s to their advantage to do so (for example, when the police show up or their boss calls).
Violent abusers usually direct their blows where they won’t show. Rather than acting out in a mindless rage, many physically violent abusers carefully aim their kicks and punches where the bruises and marks won’t show.
The cycle of violence in domestic abuse
Domestic abuse falls into a common pattern, or cycle of violence:

Abuse – Your abusive partner lashes out with aggressive, belittling, or violent behavior. The abuse is a power play designed to show you "who is boss."
Guilt – After abusing you, your partner feels guilt, but not over what he's done. He’s more worried about the possibility of being caught and facing consequences for his abusive behavior.
Excuses – Your abuser rationalizes what he or she has done. The person may come up with a string of excuses or blame you for the abusive behavior—anything to avoid taking responsibility.
"Normal" behavior — The abuser does everything he can to regain control and keep the victim in the relationship. He may act as if nothing has happened, or he may turn on the charm. This peaceful honeymoon phase may give the victim hope that the abuser has really changed this time.
Fantasy and planning – Your abuser begins to fantasize about abusing you again. He spends a lot of time thinking about what you’ve done wrong and how he'll make you pay. Then he makes a plan for turning the fantasy of abuse into reality.
Set-up – Your abuser sets you up and puts his plan in motion, creating a situation where he can justify abusing you.
Your abuser’s apologies and loving gestures in between the episodes of abuse can make it difficult to leave. He may make you believe that you are the only person who can help him, that things will be different this time, and that he truly loves you. However, the dangers of staying are very real.

The Full Cycle of Domestic Violence: An Example
A man abuses his partner. After he hits her, he experiences self-directed guilt. He says, "I'm sorry for hurting you." What he does not say is, "Because I might get caught." He then rationalizes his behavior by saying that his partner is having an affair with someone. He tells her "If you weren't such a worthless whore I wouldn't have to hit you." He then acts contrite, reassuring her that he will not hurt her again. He then fantasizes and reflects on past abuse and how he will hurt her again. He plans on telling her to go to the store to get some groceries. What he withholds from her is that she has a certain amount of time to do the shopping. When she is held up in traffic and is a few minutes late, he feels completely justified in assaulting her because "you're having an affair with the store clerk." He has just set her up.

Source: Mid-Valley Women's Crisis Service

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:42 pm

KMA---- Let's leave that situation in the past. Quite frankly, It is none of our business and we aren't privy to all of the details of the ordeal.
Again, It is not fair to anyone involved.

I understand and respect that the subject touches you quite closely ,but condemning Vinnie isn't totally fair unless you know all of the facts.

The only thing I know is that IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:42 am

poserboy71 wrote:KMA---- Let's leave that situation in the past. Quite frankly, It is none of our business and we aren't privy to all of the details of the ordeal.
Again, It is not fair to anyone involved.

I understand and respect that the subject touches you quite closely ,but condemning Vinnie isn't totally fair unless you know all of the facts.

The only thing I know is that IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO.

The only thing we really know is that we don't know either side of that particular story. (Although I am inclined to believe certain undeniable aspects that cannot be denied.) I agree that we should not resort to this.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:20 am

Did I or did I not simply provide information from other sources about something already well-known about Vinnie? I'm sorry, the news media misreported the condition of his wife's face. Why? To sensationalize the reports of a guitar player whose career died in the eighties. How many people under 35 know who Vinnie Vincent is?
The statistics that I provided do not reflect that abuse is safe. If you don't believe me because it happened to me, then read the material from the mental health professionals. Anyone in the field with half a brain says the same thing, "leave, it's not safe." If this were just my opinion, and not widespread knowledge, your point would hold some water.
Condemning Vinnie? Do you mean 90% of people who saw him on the news last year condemned him? Oh dear.
Two To Tango? Vinnie Vincent is a friend of a friend. That's ludicrous to even suggest we intermingled socially. I don't particularly care to hear the royal highness vent about peons he unfriended that are no longer of value to him. I thought of him strange, rude, aloof, and self centric. He didn't do anything to me. I got the vibe the majority of people who were friends with him were right. He says creepy shit, "some people need to have their heads held underwater."
I like his music. That's all that should matter

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:36 am

You are way off base.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:38 am

From my impression of the guy, I like Vinnie's friends a helluva lot more!! He has some cool ass friends