Vinnies lick it up neck joint

[doublev2]

It appears that the new rr v's vinnie received from Jackson in 1983 with the non reverse inlays and black headstocks with white logo (not the resprayed gold ones) have different neck joints. One being scalloped and one standard. Anyone any thoughts on this? First time it's been notices. Looks like one was a straight line without ramps almost between a rr v and the vv model.

[shramiac]

Looked at the LIU era pictures and it does look like the shoulders on the LIU Rhoads are more like his VVVs than a traditional Rhoads! Good pick up!

All these years later and there's something staring us in the face we've never seen!!!

[poserboy71]

Let's show them the examples. Guitarists know this lingo but not average fans.

[VVWarrior82]

Damn Dino, I've never noticed that and I have a TON of pictures from that tour, I'll have to check it out. My thoughts, he was playing around with format and developing what he wanted his signature ace to look like.

[1031]

if I remember right 83 was transition time for those guitars going to no scarf joint. I don't believe this was because of Vinnie.

But this could be the one here

[doublev2]

Thanks for this 1031

[doublev2]

Ok so scarf joint was new for 1983. Did they keep it this way. Also though I believe the straight line to neck is different to other rr's?


Look at difference





I didn't notice this someone else did so i don't get credit.

[doublev2]

1031 can you give us a brief history lesson please

[1031]

Ok so a scarf joint is used two join to pieces of wood it also allows you to provide neck angle. So think of it like a bolt on guitars neck pocket but the bottom of the pocket is plane at a down angle. The neck portion of that joint also has a portion of the angle that mates. When its glued it looks like one piece of wood but like a bolt on it has that shelf on the back because it needs the support. That a very long winded way of saying its a set neck in away.

But I also know that they were all supposed to be neck through guitars. But I also know that the first ones were multilaminate the necks were five piece and they added pieces to that for the wings.

I need to look at a few things to be sure of what went on with this one, I do know this that changes happened on the first RR1 :black and brass" from the concord that Randy didn't care for and was changed on the four that was built for him one was neck profile went back to a 59 beefy couture as on the concorde. Then of course we see the larger fin and a few other thing obvious on production models after that.

Let me do some checking I really have never put a huge amount of effort into looking the difference.

[doublev2]

Thanks. I don't have time to get all pics together but it may appear he received 2 new rr v's in 83 for lick it up tour (not resprayed creatures ones that also toured lick it up). One seems to have the love handles like the creatures gold and the ones I see made today and one appears to have straight lines to neck like vv's double v. I was looking at other rr v's of the time like stryper and warrior (not vv warrior) etc to see what design they had but my eyes were not working well

[doublev2]

What's the difference between scalloped neck joint and scarf?

[shramiac]

I'll be honest and say I've only heard of a scarf at the headstock end! IE: the "Japanese Joint".




Actually, to me, the neck joint looks the same in those two pictures you posted Dino? Body meets the neck with shoulders at the 18th fret.

[Genebaby]

Mike Shannon said in an interview I read the other day that they did use five pieces for the neck in the beginning but changed to three as the two outer pieces were always shaved away.

He also mentioned that the black/brass guitar had a D profile neck which Randy wasn't fond of. That was one part of the build he didn't have an instruction for so he made it a D as per usual. Funny to me that such an important part of a custom build and he didn't find out what the player preferred. Randy liked bigger necks like on his LP.

I have a black/brass Custom Shop Jackson and it has the shoulders usually found on a Rhoads. As a guitar it feels very different to my other Rhoads that is from 1990, it's much more solid, or substantial. When I got it I thought of it as a LP Rhoads. The shape can be the same but different construction under the paint can really change things.

[1031]

I'll be honest and say I've only heard of a scarf at the headstock end! IE: the "Japanese Joint".




Actually, to me, the neck joint looks the same in those two pictures you posted Dino? Body meets the neck with shoulders at the 18th fret.

Yes you are correct mostly used at the neck .. but any angled joint is considered a scarf joint, you can have a dove tail scarf joint . So think of it as in step two using that for a neck though gutar becuse you needed to attach that to the remainder of the length of the body center. Like said I need to investigate a bit, there is something different there at the heal.

[doublev2]

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[doublev2]

I wonder how easy to speak to shannon or grover?

[Genebaby]

From what I've seen off Jackson guitars there is only a scarf joint near the head stock, where it meets the body is a carved that way.

[1031]

Ok lets look at the pic from the photo shoot and lets assume that it is indeed the 83 built custom RR he ordered.
The original question was why is there no scallop on the sides at the end to the neck. When you look at the pic below you will notice there is a pronounced shelf at the base of the neck at the body. At first I just confused this with a change in production and a few things I had read my bad. But there is indeed something afoot .

Also notice that the neck keeps its D shape all the way till it dead ends. Simply there is no scallops because of this. The second pic is the back of a 1983 RR .. notice where the scallops are and how the neck flows out to those points as well as to the back above the strap button. All that on the Vinnie 83 promo pic is just not there the neck extends down in its shape till it cant.

The last pic is of one of Crosbys Jackson Vs you can see the still used the same style at the neck. This was a 87 and where I had some questions as to where they actually were using a true neck through as you can see the body seams don't correspond to such a build style but this was way later and not really in play in 83 as far as far as the information goes.

So what we have is simply a custom request by Vinnie for this guitar as some have thought or the guitar in the promo pic is not his RR 83 custom. LOL if another decent picture is around showing it you have your 100% answer. Or if you can date the photo shoot pic .. because the guitar in question was still in built around June of 1983 and Genes bass was finished august 25 1983 I cant find the finish log for the RR