Tate Officially OUT of Queensryche

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:30 am

http://www.billboard.com/news/exclusive ... 1752.story

The Wilton / Rockenfield / Jackson camp were very clever about how they went about this.

Let us assume that Tate, Wilton, Rockenfield and Jackson all owned the name Queensryche together.
For quite awhile now Tate has been steering the ship creatively. The others have been content to let him do so (bad move). Maybe / maybe not - they tried at certain points to pull back on the course and were met with resistance from the Tate camp (who cleverly put their relatives in management positions). So they laid back and waited.
Knowing that trying to wrestle the name from Tate straight up would result in a long fight they basically 'devalued' the name (or let Tate devalue it with his creative input) by creating Rising West but still claiming they were in QR.
Now they have an outlet for what they want to do without battling over the QR name.

What is Tate to do? Fire them? Could he even do that?
Now QR exists but RW also exists and fans are flocking to it.

What happens then when QR goes out on the road and people are no longer there because they are all going to RW shows?
QR suddenly starts not getting booked for shows and being paid the money they used to get.
Meanwhile RW is still getting bookings and growing fast gobbling up all the money and fans QR used to have even though QR still exists.

Could Tate sue on the grounds that RW was knowingly 'devaluing' the QR name. I suppose he could but that would mean a long protracted legal battle. That costs money for all involved.
Plus, he would not have much of a leg to stand on seeing as that he himself has done solo tours.
The RW camp could say they are just doing the same.
Tate has stated that he is well invested, so he must be covered on his end no matter what.

So he's done the only thing he could do at this point.
Opt out and hope from his end that whatever the new QR is falls flat and the fans start wanting him back no matter what.

My guess is that he still might own some portions of QR and there was an agreement made in order for him to leave.
OR he just left and let them have it all.

Whatever the case may be the Wilton / Rockenfield / Jackson camp played this very well.
Now it's up to them to deliver a good album.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:40 pm

I am only a casual QR fan, so I don't really know all that much...but haven't they been on a downward slide since the mid-90s?

Post by **Genebaby** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:13 am

Looks like they have done well. Wasn't a big fan of American Soldier, or even Mindcrime 2.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:18 am

I had friends that saw them in concert during their big heyday on the tour for Empire. Apparently Tate spent more time preening and posing for pictures than he did singing or entertaining.
Guy had a great voice. I'll give him that.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:37 am

I saw them many times in there hey day. I heard they sometimes didn't let opening acts soundcheck back then.

strangeways · Post by **strangeways** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:07 am

erg2 wrote:I am only a casual QR fan, so I don't really know all that much...but haven't they been on a downward slide since the mid-90s?

Yes.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:41 am

They kicked ass with queen of the Reich and operation mindcrime.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:42 am

Queen of the Reich was such a great tune from memory

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:45 am

Funny thing is no one talked about Michael wilton and Eddie Jackson in the 80s. Geoff and Chris were the guys and scott got some thumbs up in the drumming world. To see them without geoff and chris is kind of like gene ans Paul leaving kiss.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:33 am

Yeah...what would KISS have sounded like if Ace & Peter had kicked Gene & Paul out of the band?

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:08 pm

erg2 wrote:Yeah...what would KISS have sounded like if Ace & Peter had kicked Gene & Paul out of the band?

shite.

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:19 am

PinkWiz wrote:
erg2 wrote:Yeah...what would KISS have sounded like if Ace & Peter had kicked Gene & Paul out of the band?
shite.

KissMyAss · Post by **KissMyAss** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:33 pm

Queensryche without Geoff Tate. Nooooooo....

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:10 pm

Geoff hockin' a loogie on Scott @ 3:57... me thinks too much wine. Scott either didn't see it or is just way more passive than I could ever be...I would've clogged his throat with a drumstick:

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Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:25 pm

Geez, that is WRONG!!!! Who does that to a band member. He should have gotten a stick to the head for starters after that. I guess keeping the show going for the fans is important but surely that would have had repurcussions after the show.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:57 pm

Something very unlikable about Geoff in this even without spitting at his drummer

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:06 pm

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?m ... mID=176623

Post by **Genebaby** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:14 pm

That's so sad, what the hell happened to Geoff?

metatron · Post by **metatron** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:54 pm

Geoff needs to let that gay gay man out. Holding it in so long as made him a very bitter queen(ryche)

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:10 am

maybe he should start a band with Vinnie.

PinkWiz · Post by **PinkWiz** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:08 am

metatron wrote:Geoff needs to let that gay gay man out. Holding it in so long as made him a very bitter queen(ryche)

I was thinking the same thing...

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:35 am

Went to the Empire tour and loved it. Saw them open for Metallica on the Mindcrime tour = AWESOME.

I have heard things on both sides that makes both sides sound like assholes. Fuck them all and let the ship sink if they can't address things as men and be cool.

You too Vinnie.

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:38 am

geoff is just not looking like a cool guy in this video. I wonder why Chris retired?

Yeah I saw the Metallica / Queensryche tour. I also saw them hearding mindecrime and it was really good. oh also i saw them in vegas about 8 years ago play the entire mindecrime album in order

erg2 · Post by **erg2** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:52 am

I understand how hard it must be to keep 4-6 grown men with creative aspirations getting along with eachother...but then I have to think, "Hey...you're getting paid good money to play rock music for people that think you shit gold nuggets. Shut the fuck up and get back to playing!"

doublev2 · Post by **doublev2** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:05 am

yeah. i do understand that its hard but geoff looks very agressive these days

poserboy71 · Post by **poserboy71** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:22 am

doublev2 wrote:yeah. i do understand that its hard but geoff looks very agressive these days

Pussies need eliminated. Hail Geoff Taint !!!!