2 million dollars - Like Austin Powers, only worse

[Genebaby]

About 2 hours ago the VVI Facebook posted about a Guitarmageddon update.

Nothing there yet but this has been released apparently.

[birnie]

That's a wierd one.
He hasnt said/announced anything about it on the regulars, and this website is different.
the whois doesnt give much away either.

Either way, he's just a knob at every turn.

Deleting posts abuot the previous single and now onto the next annoucement of bullshit.

It's just baffling cause he writes the posts as if he 's actually convinced himself something will actually eventuate....but it never does.

His old website is about to expire.
We'll see if does anything about that.
I might nick it and see if he threatens to sue me

[aeroflott]

Here's the full post for posterity:

Hi everyone.
www.vinnievincentinvasion.com
GUITARMAGEDDON IS FINISHED.
It's been a long time in the making. I am very proud of this very special album
THE ENTIRE ALBUM IS PRICED AT $2,000,000 USD
The entire album will be offered in master format only for $2,000,000. This includes 10 songs mixed in master, final product format, all the master files of the artwork, related posters, and 10 separate vinyl and CD packaging art for each individual song, should the buyer choose to release the album on a per-song basis.
The buyer can choose to release the entire album in any format they desire...vinyl, CD, or any other configuration, in whole or in part, at their discretion. All marketing plans and ideas require approval by Vinnie Vincent. The price does not include any right, title, or interest in the copyrights and/or trademarks related to Vinnie Vincent or the product itself. If the buyer wishes to purchase any associated rights in the compositions, a separate agreement can be arranged and negotiated. The price will also include a perpetual license to use the brand name "Vinnie Vincent Invasion" and "Vinnie Vincent" for the life of the album.
OPTION #2: Each individual song can be purchased for $200,000. All terms and conditions listed above regarding the album will apply to each song.
MADE 2B PLAYED AT MAXIMUM VOLUME
If you love VINNIE VINCENT INVASION (1); "BOYZ ARE GONNA ROCK" , "SHOOT U FULL OF LOVE", " NO SUBSTITUTE" , " ANIMAL", " TWISTED" , " DO U WANNA MAKE LOVE", "I WANNA BE YOUR VICTIM", "BACK ON THE STREETS" " BABY-O" "INVASION" "EUPHORIA" " WILD CHILD" "GET THE LED OUT" and "FULL SHREDD," the VINNIE VINCENT INVASION MASTER SERIES recordings are for YOU!
1. Payment is thru PAYPAL.
2. Your card will be charged at the point of purchase.
3. Your payment is protected by PayPal policy.
5. NO REFUNDS, NO RETURNS upon receipt of the transfer of the masters and artwork.
6. All appropriate documents in connection with musical works and the licensing rights will be prepared through the law office and will be forwarded to the buyer within three weeks of purchase.
7. The hard drive containing the ten masters will be shipped within two weeks of completion of the purchase.
The song list for GUITARMAGEDDON is as follows:
1. INVINCIBLE (Master Series)
2. HEAVY METAL POONTANG (Master Series)
3. COCKTEAZER (Master Series)
4. ROCKS ON FIRE
(Master Series Version 1)
5. YOUNGBLOOD (Master Series)
6. EUPHORIA (Master Series)
7. FULL SHREDD (Master Series)
8. GET THE LED OUT (Master Series)
9. WILD CHILD (Master Series)
10. RIDE THE SERPENT (The Master Series)
VINNIE VINCENT
VINNIE VINCENT INVASION
www.vinnievincentinvasion.com
COPYRIGHT VINNIE VINCENT
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

I mean its an interesting idea, and in theory a pretty smart way of doing things. Sell your work to an entity or one person for a lump sum and let them do what they will with it, with some conditions. Its not dissimilar to Kiss selling their back catalogue, which of course they did recently.

The problem here of course, is this is Vinnie Vincent. I'm not sure the return on investment is going to be there for anyone choosing do do this as a money making exercise.

Is a Vinnie Vincent album worth $2M? You decide.

And besides, what happened to the $500 per single idea?

[Genebaby]

It would be interesting to find out if there was an actual sale of the Ride The Serpent single. Obviously not enough to go ahead with release, no way that was gonna happen, but one, two, five? Who will know, but surely they will be refunded should anybody have done so.

So now we abandon the song by song idea and go for broke with the whole album, along with the rules.

Once again, good luck Vinnie, good luck. This will, however, just be more fodder for the internet.

[Genebaby]

The other thing to consider, and what has been annoying me of late is that this album really is an unfinished mess, and not quite what should have/would have been released back in the day. He's been messing around with it lately, it has a new drummer on it. What we really want/need are the original, untouched early 90's masters, with the original drums and everything.

Vinnie can sell you this and then remix it and make adjustments and try and sell the new version.

It's a shame it's been messed around with so much, it's never been finalized. The final version is only for this week, it can change next week, because there is no proper release. No finished/final product going to mastering, just endless remixing and knob twiddling.

[aeroflott]

I wonder if you get to listen to what you're buying before you hand over the $2M.

[Genebaby]

That doesn't seem to be in the contract and no take backs once you get it.

I also love that it's a two week turn around to send it.

I know what kind of service I'd want for my sweet 2 million.

Even Gene would fly to to, or fly you out, to hand it over personally.

[Genebaby]

There seems to be no mention of shipping costs so let's assume it's included in the price.

This is a step down in $$$ for Vinnie, who was going to get more than $200,00 per song thanks to his inflated shipping prices. Should they ever have sold like the hit cakes he thinks they are.

This makes the whole album a bargain, in relative terms, LoL.

[aeroflott]

Can you imagine the kind of checks and balances you'd want in place if you actually did this deal with Vinnie?

It sounds like a bottomless pit of legal back and forth - and provenance would tell you its going to be a nightmare to deal with this person.

I do wonder if Vinnie just posts this shit to get attention, because he's got nothing else to put out into the world?

[birnie]

Oh, he did put it on facebook, i missed that part.
oops

[Genebaby]

Can you imagine the kind of checks and balances you'd want in place if you actually did this deal with Vinnie?

It sounds like a bottomless pit of legal back and forth - and provenance would tell you its going to be a nightmare to deal with this person.

I do wonder if Vinnie just posts this shit to get attention, because he's got nothing else to put out into the world?

It's a nightmare, there are no finished masters, just high quality versions of the old songs that have been fiddled with too much. Vinnie is the priest and the songs are the alter boys.

Where are the original masters. For my money I would want Vinnie's vision back in the day, not these days.

[Genebaby]

Oh, he did put it on facebook, i missed that part.
oops

All I have ever seen on Facebook is that there is an update coming. Interesting.

[SerpentRider]

The other thing to consider, and what has been annoying me of late is that this album really is an unfinished mess, and not quite what should have/would have been released back in the day. He's been messing around with it lately, it has a new drummer on it. What we really want/need are the original, untouched early 90's masters, with the original drums and everything.

Vinnie can sell you this and then remix it and make adjustments and try and sell the new version.

It's a shame it's been messed around with so much, it's never been finalized. The final version is only for this week, it can change next week, because there is no proper release. No finished/final product going to mastering, just endless remixing and knob twiddling.

He's been messing around with it since 1995 or so. Redoing guitars, bass, drum. The only thing left from the original is Robert's finished vocals.

This album might be up there with Def Leppards "Hysteria" album when it comes to cost. If he had not spent so much in the beginning on it, he could have easily sold the album to another label. But no label back then was going to pay even what Enigma had in it. I don't know if they would have paid 1/2 of what Enigma had in it (back in 1992). Even though, I'm sure Enigma's creditors would have liked even half the money.

But Vinnie has recorded almost the entire album (sans vocals) over and over again so that gets anyway from "claiming" they own it. If Vinnie released it as it was originally finished, you can bet someone would come calling for money. I wish "The EP" and "Euphoria" had featured Andre Labelle's drum's instead of V-Meister. Now we get (although it will never come out) Kerry Jordan.

[SerpentRider]

Can you imagine the kind of checks and balances you'd want in place if you actually did this deal with Vinnie?

It sounds like a bottomless pit of legal back and forth - and provenance would tell you its going to be a nightmare to deal with this person.

I do wonder if Vinnie just posts this shit to get attention, because he's got nothing else to put out into the world?

You would rack up at least $100,000 in legal fees (easily).

For $2M, I would certainly be demanding songwriting/publishing and copyrights to all these songs. And where are the missing songs. He only listed 10. Where's "Genesis" and other tracks?


Maybe his kids will just release it when he's gone. Just like I wonder what Ace's heirs will do with unreleased tracks, NIL etc. I would imagine they would sell cheap.


And I sure wouldn't be sending him $2M via pay pal? And wouldn't paypal screw him out of 2% of the $2M? That's $40K they could keep as "credit card fee". I'm guessing. I've never used pay pal to sell anything. I would be meeting him at the Gaylord or somewhere in Nashville. Inspecting the product etc. I'd be going over marketing plans in person and everything else. Does he really really think anyone would turn over $2M and wait 4 weeks to get the material?

[aeroflott]

Demanding that payment is made through PayPal is an absolute joke.

[Genebaby]

Andre's drums are what you/we want, yes indeed. The drum machine on Euphoria, please not again.

Hopefully he does have that work somewhere still and it wasn't lost like Bobby's original drums on the VVI debut.

PayPal is showing how small fry Vinnie is.

[Genebaby]

So it does indeed say "few left" on the website and if you go further you can add at least 9 or 10 on this $2000000 item to your cart.

Is this even a legitimate sale of the album and it's rights etc, because there should only be one available to purchase.

At the end of the day it's probably not a problem as there won't be even the one sale, but geez, talk about amateur hour.

Please let some 80s loving Saudi Prince decide to buy it so we can see what happens

[aeroflott]

Vinnie just explained the math on his Facebook page:

it's simple math. A hit album of 1 million sales at $20 per CD will generate a label 20,000,000 gross.

their investment of 2 million for the cost of the masters, nets the label $18,000,000. Pure profit. A fact these shit4brains fail to understand.

So I guess that clears it up. It's a great deal!

I mean sure, let's pluck projected Vinnie Vincent new album sales projections out of thin air!

Combined, both VVI albums didn't sell even half that amount!

Trumponomics.

[Genebaby]

There's also the glaring fact that if it's just that simple, why he does not do this himself and reap the easy rewards.

It's like those guys selling books on how to get rich quick, or win at the casino or something.

If I had the secrets to things like that I wouldn't be bothering with a book, you'd see me cruising around the world in my mega yacht with heli-pad. There wouldn't be a book about it, LoL.....

Ahh Vinnie, why do you create more fodder for the internet every time you speak?

[SerpentRider]

Vinnie just explained the math on his Facebook page:

it's simple math. A hit album of 1 million sales at $20 per CD will generate a label 20,000,000 gross.

their investment of 2 million for the cost of the masters, nets the label $18,000,000. Pure profit. A fact these shit4brains fail to understand.

So I guess that clears it up. It's a great deal!

I mean sure, let's pluck projected Vinnie Vincent new album sales projections out of thin air!

Combined, both VVI albums didn't sell even half that amount!

Trumponomics.

The labels are the shit brains? $18M pure profit? So there's ZERO manufacturing costs, no songwriting/publishing royalties, no marketing costs, no legal costs etc? No shipping costs etc. All pure profit.

Vinnie is proving once again, he doesn't have a head for business.

Vinnie needs to realize its not 1986 or 1988. Sure combined both VVI albums probably easily did more than 1M in the US, its not that time anymore.

Peter Criss' new album is probably lucky to have done 8-10K

Ace recent releases probably doing 20K copies or so. I think Anomaly did 56,000 or so.

Sonic Boom tanked with its massive Walmart promotion (and 3 discs for $12) at around 300,000

Did Monster even do 150,000?

Any Vinnie release would (from a legitimate outlet) would probably do somewhere between Peter and Ace.

Kiss hasn't had a million seller since ST&H (US).

This also isn't the version of the album fans really want. If it was the 1991 version professionally mixed, there would be more interest. But this is a Frankenstein version.

[SerpentRider]

So it does indeed say "few left" on the website and if you go further you can add at least 9 or 10 on this $2000000 item to your cart.

Is this even a legitimate sale of the album and it's rights etc, because there should only be one available to purchase.

At the end of the day it's probably not a problem as there won't be even the one sale, but geez, talk about amateur hour.

Please let some 80s loving Saudi Prince decide to buy it so we can see what happens

Wouldn't it be great if there was someone from the UAE who was a huge fan of his and would bankroll it? One that didn't care how much they would lose on it.

Or someone associated with Atlantis Dubai. They blew a fortune on KISS.

[Genebaby]

You never know, that would be the dream, otherwise this is never going to happen. And Vinnie can go back to remixing and stuffing around with the songs.

Once nobody buys and this has blown over, what will he do next? I really do wonder.